Cavani gets 3 match ban from FA for his social media post

Thank you for reopening it.

I think every sentence of the whole statement is 100% true. I think it is okay that the FA doesn't want Cavani to use the word "negrito" on social media as it clearly could be misunderstood by some people and they could feel offended. But they should just give him a education that he should not use these or any words that could be misunderstood and offend other people instead of themselves offending Cavani and his culture.

As much as i hate racism (a lot of my friends are foreigners and i often noticed them being racially abused) it isn't that much better to picture somebody as racist when he isn't. Of course a lot of people know that Cavani is not racist but there are also a lot that think he is now. In Austria the sky commentator said Cavani got a 3-match ban for a racist tweet. And a lot of people will remember Cavani for getting banned for being racist and not with all the background information.

Maybe i overlooked it but i didn't even see the FA communicating that Cavani is not a racist. At least they could have made a statement that he is banned for a word that could be misunderstood and therefore is worth a 3-match ban but at the same time making it clear that it was obviously just a misunderstanding and Cavani is not a racist.
But how the FA handled this is just unfair and they had a lot of time to review it so they really should have done better.

Let the Uruguayan FA fight it, I want Utd and Cavani to stay well away from this and not get wrapped up in what is the very definition of a storm in a tea-cup.

Good on Uruguayan FA to call out the Anglo-centric behaviour of the English FA.
But I doubt they have any influence on English FA.

incredible.

The Uruguayan FA defended Suarez/appealed over the Evra incident and when he bit Chiellini, so I'm not sure this will have much of an effect.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...ick-it-out-chair-cavani-ban-all-about-context

Oh my god, rather than applying common sense and cultural sensitivity, and applying logic to politely nudge when someone commits a cultural faux pas and punishing where actual offense was intended Kick It Out are suggesting a welcome pack for all non-natives when they join the Premier League to educate them on English culture (as if we're not supposed to be a multi-cultural society)

I'd love to read this list of things not to say, and see the meetings where they decide what to include on the ban list and what is ok.

Ranchero said:

It would have been a surprise if he did not get a ban. The Uruguayan ace used a Spanish slang term ('n' word) which makes reference to race to respond to a friend's wishes on Instagram, In the context of what was said online, however, it was not the worst offence of its kind, because it was not said in an aggressive manner, but there has to be education on what can and cannot be said in terms of this country.

Luis Suárez was banned for eight matches and fined £40,000 for using the same word in racially abusing Patrice Evra. Now the context here was that word was not said in anything other than an aggressive way. Saying the word in that context is racist abuse and I was surprised at the time that Cavani's Uruguay national side teammate did not have police knocking at his door as his behaviour was totally unacceptable.

Ultimately, a three match ban is probably fair in the context of Suarez.

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Never mind that the context was massively different (and key to Suarez's ban), they are different words with different meanings

People can debate about meaning (though I'll go with what the S American posters have explained... several times) but not that the word was the same.

SuperiorXI said:

Glad that there are outside bodies putting pressure on the FA here.

The decision to punish Cavani was a disgrace.

How long until we see "he shouldn't of said it end of" posts???

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Well we've already had the 'he can go back to where he came from' comments (above)

Jippy said:

New development in the case, so we're back open.


Uruguayan FA urges English FA to review Cavani ban

https://www.reuters.com/article/soc...english-fa-to-review-cavani-ban-idINKBN2991ZH

EDIT: Credit to @PaulScholes99 for the spot.

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Brilliant..

"The Uruguayan players’ union (AFU) said the English FA “committed a discriminatory act against the culture and way of life of the Uruguayan people”.

The statement was shared on Twitter by Uruguay captain Diego Godin.

“Edinson Cavani has never committed any conduct that could be interpreted as racist,” the AFU said. “He merely used a common expression in Latin America to affectionately address a loved one or close friend.

“The sanction shows the English Football Association’s biased, dogmatic and ethnocentric vision that only allows a subjective interpretation to be made from its particular and excluding conclusion, however flawed it may be."

Glad their FA and players pushing it. Should go to FIFA.. know it's FA rules but they'd fold under FIFA like a wet blanket

The English need to get off their high horse of dictating what is right and begin to respect other cultures. That is, if they still want the best of global talent in their country.

Brexit fc and the associated elitist mentality is far too pig headed to change its ways, even in the face of common sense

harms said:

That's the interesting bit. While it was used in England, surely sending it to your Spanish-speaking friend means that you're using it in the context that's relevant for you two? I'm not sure why I'm trying to find any logic there though.

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yeah but he also made it clear that he only cares that someone somewhere theoretically could have been offended.

Odd thing is that we're supposed to be a multicultural society, so our institutions are supposed to take an open minded approach to people from other cultures but yet the organisation in charge of protecting against discrimination seems more set on protecting the FA's narrow anglo-centric view than having a serious conversation about it and whether any harm was actually caused (or more harm was caused by the FA's actions).

I have to say that I found the claim that the word is now being used in an offensive manner in England following the Suarez incident odd as well.

Cute PR move by the Uruguayan FA. But the English FA will ignore it.

If FA had charged Cavani with just bringing game to disrepute and given a 1 game ban or something, this would have been criticized, but largely ignored. But FA went too far with putting the "racial intent" clause and forced a minimum 3 game ban, and topped it with a 100K fine and to make matter worse, added a "face to face cultural class".
They went too far trying to make an example out of Cavani.

RedDevil@84 said:

No. He did not break any FA rule.

There is an FA rule that players should not bring the game into disrepute. There was no disrepute until the media/fans/pundits all associated the word Negrito told by Cavani to his friend, who was not offended by it, as equivalent to racial slur in English. It is not an English word, not told to a person who is English or knows only English. So interpreting it in English is plain stupid.

There is an FA rule not to racially abuse anyone. When it was very clear that neither the person who said it and the so called victim did not see any racial undertone, the FA unilaterally decided that there was a racial angle to this and charged him with it as well.

Yes, everyone has moved on. Only because the punishment is little and not worth fighting on for. Not because FA was right in its actions or the pundits calling for Cavani's head and preaching that he be sent to cultural assimilation classes were right in their verdicts.

Just don't keep coming up with "There was a crime and there was a punishment" because there was none.

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Excellent!

Maybe someone from Uruguay could explain the origins of the word negrito. I understand it’s a nice word and you can use it on friends anyone you love. But is it originated from the word negro meaning race (like my nigga?) or from negro meaning the colour black?

zenith said:

The English need to get off their high horse of dictating what is right and begin to respect other cultures. That is, if they still want the best of global talent in their country.

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Please tell me you forgot to include 'FA' in the above post, otherwise you're telling us that all English people agree with this sh*tshow, amongst other implications.

RedDevil@84 said:

If FA had charged Cavani with just bringing game to disrepute and given a 1 game ban or something, this would have been criticized, but largely ignored. But FA went too far with putting the "racial intent" clause and forced a minimum 3 game ban, and topped it with a 100K fine and to make matter worse, added a "face to face cultural class".
They went too far trying to make an example out of Cavani.

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I disagree from the point of view that the 'game into disrepute' part is what angers me the most. It's them that have brought the English football into disrepute via their actions here.

R77 said:

Please tell me you forgot to include 'FA' in the above post, otherwise you're telling us that all English people agree with this sh*tshow, amongst other implications.



I disagree from the point of view that the 'game into disrepute' part is what angers me the most. It's them that have brought the English football into disrepute via their actions here.

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I don't agree with the game into disrepute part as well. I am just saying they could have gotten away with something minor.

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:

“He merely used a common expression in Latin America to affectionately address a loved one or close friend."

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Just to clarify, "Negrito" is also used as a pejorative word in South America. It depends on the tone and who you talking to.

In Cavani's case, it was clearly in the affectionate sense to a close friend, but it's understandable why some of his instagram followers not from Uruguay/South America, could have misinterpret it.

RedDevil@84 said:

If FA had charged Cavani with just bringing game to disrepute and given a 1 game ban or something, this would have been criticized, but largely ignored. But FA went too far with putting the "racial intent" clause and forced a minimum 3 game ban, and topped it with a 100K fine and to make matter worse, added a "face to face cultural class".
They went too far trying to make an example out of Cavani.

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Agree, they should have used it against you know racist comments..

FA needs to revoke the ban and write an apology to Cavani for painting him as racist.

Jippy said:

New development in the case, so we're back open.


Uruguayan FA urges English FA to review Cavani ban

https://www.reuters.com/article/soc...english-fa-to-review-cavani-ban-idINKBN2991ZH

EDIT: Credit to @PaulScholes99 for the spot.

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I knew this wasn't going away. Edi might want to move on but there's wider implications here. You can't tell me I haven't quite committed the offence but hey, just do the time. However it ends, I'm just happy to see the bright spotlight being shone on the FA for a most ludicrous judgement.

George Owen said:

Just to clarify, "Negrito" is also used as a pejorative word in South America. It depends on the tone and who you talking to.

In Cavani's case, it was clearly in the affectionate sense to a close friend, but it's understandable why some of his instagram followers not from Uruguay/South America, could have misinterpret it.

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I'm quoting the Uruguayan FA comments.

I've seen some talk about alternative meanings, though it's pretty obvious to anyone (especially given the friend in question) that it was the 'pal' meaning.

SuperiorXI said:

Glad that there are outside bodies putting pressure on the FA here.

The decision to punish Cavani was a disgrace.

How long until we see "he shouldn't of said it end of" posts???

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It’ll be 3 games by the time the FA release a statement

FreddieTheReddie said:

Maybe someone from Uruguay could explain the origins of the word negrito. I understand it’s a nice word and you can use it on friends anyone you love. But is it originated from the word negro meaning race (like my nigga?) or from negro meaning the colour black?

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The conquistadores, did genocide in Argentina, Uruguay and Chile. They were specially successful in the first two.

So, you have left countries with mainly European population, but also, a lot of mestizos. Son of European + indigenous. Usually a European man with a indigenous woman, because the indigenous males were mainly terminated.

Those mestizos, who are not African black skinned (just a bit browner than the typical euro Argentine or Uruguayan or Chilean), usually gets the nickname "negro" "negrito", by his whiter friends.

For example, at my school in Chile (a British private school), the majority of students were european white skinned, but a few were mestizos. Those mestizos, would typically get the nickname "negro" or "negrito" pretty early in the school days (just as short people would get some nickname related to his height, same for the fat one, the ginger one, etc). If his name is for example, Carlos Perez, he would be nicknamed, "El Negro" Perez. Usually, the nickname sticks till you are an adult, specially with your childhood friends.

When used outside your friend's circle, talking about or to someone else you don't know, it will usually be as a pejorative.

The FA wouldn't even begin to understand the points being made here.

The whole thing stinks of the FA seeing an opportunity to trouser £100 grand. I doubt for a second they give the slightest of a shit about about who's offended by what.

Drainy said:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...ick-it-out-chair-cavani-ban-all-about-context

Oh my god, rather than applying common sense and cultural sensitivity, and applying logic to politely nudge when someone commits a cultural faux pas and punishing where actual offense was intended Kick It Out are suggesting a welcome pack for all non-natives when they join the Premier League to educate them on English culture (as if we're not supposed to be a multi-cultural society)

I'd love to read this list of things not to say, and see the meetings where they decide what to include on the ban list and what is ok.

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That guy sounds like the biggest bullshit merchant.

harms said:

That's the interesting bit. While it was used in England, surely sending it to your Spanish-speaking friend means that you're using it in the context that's relevant for you two? I'm not sure why I'm trying to find any logic there though.

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Wonder if Cavani uses a VPN? Technically sending a message on Instagram or whatever whilst your phone says you're in Uruguay pretty much voids that bit no? Or would the FA try to police the Internet too?

Olly Gunnar Solskjær said:

The Uruguayan FA defended Suarez/appealed over the Evra incident and when he bit Chiellini, so I'm not sure this will have much of an effect.

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This is a good point, and possibly why the English FA might ignore the Uruguayan FA, even if they are correct in the case of Cavani.

PaulScholes99 said:

Thank you for reopening it.

I think every sentence of the whole statement is 100% true. I think it is okay that the FA doesn't want Cavani to use the word "negrito" on social media as it clearly could be misunderstood by some people and they could feel offended. But they should just give him a education that he should not use these or any words that could be misunderstood and offend other people instead of themselves offending Cavani and his culture.

As much as i hate racism (a lot of my friends are foreigners and i often noticed them being racially abused) it isn't that much better to picture somebody as racist when he isn't. Of course a lot of people know that Cavani is not racist but there are also a lot that think he is now. In Austria the sky commentator said Cavani got a 3-match ban for a racist tweet. And a lot of people will remember Cavani for getting banned for being racist and not with all the background information.

Maybe i overlooked it but i didn't even see the FA communicating that Cavani is not a racist. At least they could have made a statement that he is banned for a word that could be misunderstood and therefore is worth a 3-match ban but at the same time making it clear that it was obviously just a misunderstanding and Cavani is not a racist.
But how the FA handled this is just unfair and they had a lot of time to review it so they really should have done better.

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What happened?

Drainy said:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...ick-it-out-chair-cavani-ban-all-about-context

Oh my god, rather than applying common sense and cultural sensitivity, and applying logic to politely nudge when someone commits a cultural faux pas and punishing where actual offense was intended Kick It Out are suggesting a welcome pack for all non-natives when they join the Premier League to educate them on English culture (as if we're not supposed to be a multi-cultural society)

I'd love to read this list of things not to say, and see the meetings where they decide what to include on the ban list and what is ok.

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The thing about organizations such as Kick It Out is that their solution is always "Use us more". They need the relevance in order to pay the staff and grow. So there will be courses, packages and investigations from them highlighted as being what is needed to fix the problems. They make themselves heard criticizing various instances and then these instances respond to this in order to save face, use Kick it Out as experts and voilá they become the authority on all things racism in football.

Racism in football is a big issue, and I'm not saying that Kick it Out doesn't do good work. I just dislike when these organizations become wannabe-arbitrators.

Dirty Schwein said:

What happened?

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In fairness, and perhaps ironically given the stereotype of anti-racism, Cavani hasn't said he is offended by the cultural racism its people being offended on his behalf.

That said, he's not in a position to state his real opinion on the subject, because he's been subjected to undue scrutiny due to the cultural insensitivity of the FA.

George Owen said:

The conquistadores, did genocide in Argentina, Uruguay and Chile. They were specially successful in the first two.

So, you have left countries with mainly European population, but also, a lot of mestizos. Son of European + indigenous. Usually a European man with a indigenous woman, because the indigenous males were mainly terminated.

Those mestizos, who are not African black skinned (just a bit browner than the typical euro Argentine or Uruguayan or Chilean), usually gets the nickname "negro" "negrito", by his whiter friends.

For example, at my school in Chile (a British private school), the majority of students were european white skinned, but a few were mestizos. Those mestizos, would typically get the nickname "negro" or "negrito" pretty early in the school days (just as short people would get some nickname related to his height, same for the fat one, the ginger one, etc). If his name is for example, Carlos Perez, he would be nicknamed, "El Negro" Perez. Usually, the nickname sticks till you are an adult, specially with your childhood friends.

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Thanks. So it has something to do with black skin but is not referring to black race. I think it’s not racist but shouldn’t be used anymore is this age. Just like other nicknames referring to physical appearance shouldn’t be used. I understand that South America is probably less pc about these things, just like my country, Hungary, where older or less educated people would use these words but it wouldn’t be acceptable in TV for example so we try to get rid of them. I still think it’s not FA’s job to decide what can be said in other languages. I would feel offended if they fined Szoboszlai or another Hungarian player for something similar. They are practically saying other countries are less developed regarding their education or culture. Which might be true sometimes but it is offensive. I think a vernal warning would have been perfect is this situation.

Delighted to see Uruguayan players and FA react to this and brand the FA ethnocentric, which it is.

Bastian said:

Delighted to see Uruguayan players and FA react to this and brand the FA ethnocentric, which it is.

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Me too! My Latin American partner is also happy - she felt her culture was being violated by this FA ruling.

It’s good there is a push back, it will help with forming new rules about this kind of thing. We’re still floundering around trying to look like we are tackling racism but randomly taking aim at things that aren’t racist and aren’t helping the cause.

It won’t change anything