Not too sure there’s a lot for him to aim at there to be honest, also his body shape would make that difficult since the ball was slightly behind him When he controlled it. This is not an easy chance with Fabinho closing in.
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He stroke it well - just at the only place Alison could have saved it - right at him. He has acres to aim for.Not too sure there’s a lot for him to aim at there to be honest, also his body shape would make that difficult since the ball was slightly behind him When he controlled it. This is not an easy chance with Fabinho closing in.
Heard it called unlucky and a great save but it's neither - it's a poor finish. He's so close to the goal it's pretty criminal not to score here in my opinion.
"Not an easy chance" give me a break - you wont get many easier chances
Might have been better dummying the shot and cutting onto his left looking at that pic.Not too sure there’s a lot for him to aim at there to be honest, also his body shape would make that difficult since the ball was slightly behind him When he controlled it. This is not an easy chance with Fabinho closing in.
That pic makes it look a harder chance than I remember at the time.
Could you imagine if he did that and the defender didnt fall for it and the abuse he would get for just not shooting it.
It unfortunately was straight at Allisson. He needed a Maddison type finish into the top of the net or a really accurate one where Allisson wouldnt have been able to get it with his foot on the left of him. Its a shame.
Two good games from Pogba, when he relaxes his ego a little, you can see what a good player he is.
Still think we should ship him out..
Still think we should ship him out..
Yeah I almost mentioned that in my post, your right, people would have hammered him. Just looking at the lunge from Fabinho in that photo it looks like it was 'on' but he would be switching to his weaker foot anyway.
Yeah he needed to hit it into the roof of the net or hit it so hard past the keeper he couldn't react. Unfortunately it goes straight at Allisson. I thought that was the moment we got the winner
I thought the Bruno chance was the one where i expected the net to bulge. But yea, with both the players, I expected at least one of them to score. Ahh shameYeah I almost mentioned that in my post, your right, people would have hammered him. Just looking at the lunge from Fabinho in that photo it looks like it was 'on' but he would be switching to his weaker foot anyway.
Yeah he needed to hit it into the roof of the net or hit it so hard past the keeper he couldn't react. Unfortunately it goes straight at Allisson. I thought that was the moment we got the winner
Pogba would have been great as his performances have deserved another winning goal like that.
Yeah agree, would have been huge to get that winner but still not the worst result.I thought the Bruno chance was the one where i expected the net to bulge. But yea, with both the players, I expected at least one of them to score. Ahh shame
Pogba would have been great as his performances have deserved another winning goal like that.
if he hits it any further to the left Fabinho blocks it. He could get more height on it.It's a simple chance. He should score.
I think he had a good performance, and the goal would have capped it off nicely. I don't like him on the flanks though, need to get him in the middle of the pitch where he can get on the ball more and link up with Bruno.
Love him or hate him, I think he will be a massive factor if we are to go on and win the title. I know Bruno is our talisman, and rightly so, but Pogba can just produce moments that nobody else in the league can replicate. That could be the difference.
Love him or hate him, I think he will be a massive factor if we are to go on and win the title. I know Bruno is our talisman, and rightly so, but Pogba can just produce moments that nobody else in the league can replicate. That could be the difference.
I think Kean was harsh when he was saying Pogba should have done better. I don't think theres much else he could have done, it happened quickly, he hit it down, with power and had pressure of a sliding tackle into him too.Not too sure there’s a lot for him to aim at there to be honest, also his body shape would make that difficult since the ball was slightly behind him When he controlled it. This is not an easy chance with Fabinho closing in.
Yep, I want him gone as well. I'm a big fan of his as well, but just tired of the unecessary drama. Hope he continues to play well so we can get a better fee and wish nothing but the best for him. Would love to see Graelish come in his place, just think Jack has more of that bulldog fight and fearlessness in him that Paul.
The picture makes the chance looked harder than it actually was and it really doesn’t speak the whole story. Pogba had so much space before he took a shot and with the space he got, he should have done better. The picture there showed right after he released his shot.Not too sure there’s a lot for him to aim at there to be honest, also his body shape would make that difficult since the ball was slightly behind him When he controlled it. This is not an easy chance with Fabinho closing in.
It’s just poor finishing which something he never good at inside the box anyway since he’s not forward after all. He should have done the VDB‘s goal vs palace.
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Are you saying he should’ve took it first time on the volley?
I was screaming when Pogba got the ball in that moment, in my mind we already scored. It would have been a deserved goal and would have marked a new page for both the club and the player.
It would have been a deserved goal and would have marked a new page for both the club and the player.News is he apologized to the entire team for not scoring that opportunity. That is a great attitude. Games are won, lost or drawn; goals are scored or missed all the time, but that desire will take us over the line.
Two years back this team would have been happy with the draw. Not anymore. Excellent.
Two years back this team would have been happy with the draw. Not anymore. Excellent.
I just told you, he should have done the VDB‘s goal vs palace or basically any placement but don’t aim right at the keeper. Your picture doesn’t tell the whole story of what happened right before Pogba released the ball. Either way, it is what it is, I’m not blaming him for the reason why we didn’t win but if you ask people whether Pogba could have done better, yes I think so.
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That’s way too simplistic though.It ignores where the ball came from for VDB and his body position as the ball approached in comparison to where Pogbas came from and his subsequestrian body position
In the VDB situation his body is pointing towards the right side of the pitch and the ball rolls to him on the floor. In Pogbas case the ball bounces in from the left meaning he is pointing away from goal, He takes a touch and by the time he’s taken a touch his angle is closed down, his body shape, the time he has and where the ball lies allows him only to lace it. Side footing it would put the ball out for a goal kick or roll it at the keeper at best.
I see so much space there where Pogba could aim better there instead of straight to keeper. The thing that you are missing the difference here is that VDB chose to shoot for placement while Pogba chose to shoot for power. That's why lot of people and pundits said he could have done better.That’s way too simplistic though.It ignores where the ball came from for VDB and his body position as the ball approached in comparison to where Pogbas came from and his subsequestrian body position
In the VDB situation his body is pointing towards the right side of the pitch and the ball rolls to him on the floor. In Pogbas case the ball bounces in from the left meaning he is pointing away from goal, He takes a touch and by the time he’s taken a touch his angle is closed down, his body shape, the time he has and where the ball lies allows him only to lace it. Side footing it would put the ball out for a goal kick or roll it at the keeper at best.
There haven’t been many matches where both himself and Bruno have played really well together. Certainly not as good as it looked on paper last January. I know we are top of the league but they don’t seem totally compatible and Pogba was out for the start of the season anyway. It could be other factors in the team and Maybe I’m wrong but we really seem to struggle to get more than one attacking player in top form at any given moment. Pogba has taken over in the last few weeks thank feck because Bruno has been looking tired and is dropping off. No shame in it. It would be impossible for Bruno to keep on winning us every game we play. We need more than one way to win.
if he was shooting at that point but he wasn’t and time didn’t stand still, neither did the defender, it also ignores Pogbas body shape and that the ball isn’t coming onto him. He can’t side foot that any further away from the keeper due to his position. What you’re talking about is what you’d like him to do, not what was possible. When he struck the ball the only better alternative was higher because the angle you see there is closed down by the time he withdrew his leg.
You can also see at the point of striking the ball it’s behind his standing leg and his hips are twisting round already, to get round further would require realigning his body, he didn’t have time to do that.
It’s a shame, he deserved to win us the game but it was good defending to close him down.
What about the Bruno one? That was THE chance.
Again, you are ignoring the fact that Pogba's aim before being closed down was to shoot with power not to shoot with placement. When you watch the video, he has so much space to put his body position better to take a shoot with placement instead of with power but he didn't do it because his aim was to shoot with power.if he was shooting at that point but he wasn’t and time didn’t stand still, neither did the defender, it also ignores Pogbas body shape and that the ball isn’t coming onto him. He can’t side foot that any further away from the keeper due to his position. What you’re talking about is what you’d like him to do, not what was possible. When he struck the ball the only better alternative was higher because the angle you see there is closed down by the time he withdrew his leg.
You can also see at the point of striking the ball it’s behind his standing leg and his hips are twisting round already, to get round further would require realigning his body, he didn’t have time to do that.
It’s a shame, he deserved to win us the game but it was good defending to close him down.
What about the Bruno one? That was THE chance.
Why Bruno is mentioned here?
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That was his first season I think. Pogba was much more enjoyable to watch in that season. Lots more flair and crazy passes like that.
Im not ignoring anything you are. I’ve watched the video hence the photos. They’re was half a second between the control and the shot.Again, you are ignoring the fact that Pogba's aim before being closed down was to shoot with power not to shoot with placement. When you watch the video, he has so much space to put his body position better to take a shoot with placement instead of with power but he didn't do it because his aim was to shoot with power.
Why Bruno is mentioned here?
Im asking about Bruno because we had two good chances in the game...one Pogba might’ve scored if he’d got more height on it. The other fell to Bruno six yards out on the floor.....if I’m honest I’ve hit my mum harder. Straight at the keeper to boot. Really poor. Has to score that.
He used to take more risks and try more pot shots but he's become more reserved.
It's probably made him more reliable but less flamboyant. It's how some people want Fernandes to be.
They are not the same situation at all to warrant the same type of finish.
VDB had the ball coming towards him at a slower speed after the pass got deflected. The defence got caught off-guard and he already got his body positioned to do a first time shot to the far post.
For the Pogba the ball was going away and he had to control it before taking the shot. Fabinho was already onto him even before he took the touch. If he goes for placement to the far post its 100% getting blocked. The only thing he could have done better was blast it in with a harder shot.
To me that's more than enough time & space.
Yes, it was poor but why Bruno's chance is any relevant to our Pogba's discussion?
I wouldn't expect the same type of finish which like what you said not the same situation but I expect him going for placement as long as not straight to keeper. This is just part of Pogba's thing that his finishing inside the box was never his strength.
There is no guaranteed whether the shot would have been blocked or no, the distance between Pogba & Fabinho are far apart that you really don't know that. If it will be blocked then credit to Fabinho.
Fabinho lunged in at full pelt. It was going to get blocked if he aims it at far post. The only chance he had was to creep it in under his legs but you'd need a good finisher for that which Pogba isn't.
I don't think it was a good finish too, seemed like Alison completely had no idea where the ball was going.
Like I said before, Pogba could aim anywhere else, in the middle or the far post, in my opinion he should go for placement not straight at keeper which near post. If it's still saved or blocked then credit to defender or keeper. My point is that people and pundits were right to say Pogba could have done better so not sure why I'm not allowed to make that point or my point was wrong.
I’v looked at all sides of the debate and all the screenshots. I think Pogba did the only shot possible, if he tried to get a bit of height he would have probably skied it, this way you hope to get lucky or gk pushes back into a dangerous area. Definitely couldn’t have placed it in other direction due to the defender coming in.
And TBF when it happened during the match it didn’t stand out as a stupid miss
You can keep saying it but you’re wrong The amount of space he had when the ball was coming to him is not relevant at all to the amount of space he had as he connected with the ball, which I’ve shown now multiple times. Also where the ball is and Pogba’s body shape due to where the ball came to him from means that the line of travel would have always been similar. To place it the ball would need to be in front of him and his body would have to be more square on with the goal rather than pointing away and twisted towards.
I don’t care what pundits said, they always have a narrative on Pogba....hence the question on Bruno’s chance which was far simpler than Pogbas and should have been finished.
Hes our best players technically and its not even close. Just like Cavani is miles ahead of the other forwards.
Player’s like Pogba are a once in a lifetime player, you don’t let them leave to win trophies, you get them in a room, negotiate what he wants, shut his agent up and make him the main man (alongside Bruno)
If we go off the last 4-6 weeks, then Bruno shouldnt even have that CAM spot, it should be Pogbas, and Bruno should be forced out wide in order to fit in.
Player’s like Pogba are a once in a lifetime player, you don’t let them leave to win trophies, you get them in a room, negotiate what he wants, shut his agent up and make him the main man (alongside Bruno)
If we go off the last 4-6 weeks, then Bruno shouldnt even have that CAM spot, it should be Pogbas, and Bruno should be forced out wide in order to fit in.
Absolute bollox. Unless by “last 4-6 weeks” you actually mean “last 4-6 days” and even then what you suggest would be a stupid idea.
Player who had unbelievably good 12 months where he won 4/7 player of the month awards should be forced out to play Pogba outside his best position.I'm not even blaming Pogba for our failure to win, so I really don't know why do you need to bring Bruno's debate into this, different discussion & different thread. I think the point of this thread is to talk about Pogba and I think it's fair for me to have my opinion on Pogba's goal chance vs Liverpool without require to include Bruno's one into discussion. Either way, agree and disagree here.
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