Yeah, that's true. I did cover that as regards Mainoo and Hannibal, but, as you say, it pretty much applies to Gore v Hannibal as well.
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Everton now in for him.
He’s only going on loan.
Potential there’s an option with buy back.
Its not certain he’s going anywhere permanently and if he does then it looks like we have some protection.
Looking good at u18 and u21 level is just exactly that....looking good at that level and I do not recall the teams that he played in dominating at that level.
Looks like he had a good loan deal in the midlands and he was praised for his effort by the coach at the time but doing it in the Premier League is a huge step up in quality.
He is not going to get games once Casemiro and Mount are back anyway so this will be a good loan deal for him to impress in Spain and show us if he can improve from his Championship loan.
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This would be even better....will get to watch him on a regular basis.
Damn. A loan on its own somewhere like Sevilla is a great idea, buy I'd be disappointed to see him leave permanently. I love his attitude and think in a functioning team he could be a real asset.
McTom should be at the tippy top of the list to shift out of our midfield, not promising youngsters who've shown they'll die for the shirt.
Either way hopefully he kicks on and does well in Seville. There's a player in there for sure.
McTom should be at the tippy top of the list to shift out of our midfield, not promising youngsters who've shown they'll die for the shirt.
Either way hopefully he kicks on and does well in Seville. There's a player in there for sure.
I hope he gets a very good loan destination
Hannibal has shown more commitment to the Utd shirt than McTominay???
Strange take to say the least
He has a high work rate but is very loose with his passes and can be over reckless.
The buy back business model is the way forward with these types of players, he can develope elsewhere whilst we will maintain a buy back option with a set date.
The buy back business model is the way forward with these types of players, he can develope elsewhere whilst we will maintain a buy back option with a set date.
He only turns 21 this month...still plenty of time for him at United.
Loan him (but only because United are down to 1 game a week for the rest of the season)
Loan him (but only because United are down to 1 game a week for the rest of the season)
Let anyone who wants him, sign him on a good loan fee , with a massive option to buy and a reasonable buy back clause
No that's not what I meant, bad wording there.Hannibal has shown more commitment to the Utd shirt than McTominay???
Strange take to say the least
Hannibal is a talented youngster who's shown a lot of fire and willingness to work his absolute socks off, alongside a lot of technical ability at the youth levels. I think his mixture of attributes has a lot of potential if moulded correctly.
McTom is for me not good enough to play a part in the squad. He seems a great character off the pitch, even if on it he goes missing defensively and hides from the ball in build up - though I think that might be a tactical shortcoming more than an issue with desire.
Neither is a great option really. Both clubs in a relegation fight. With Sevilla you'd expect him to play in a more expansive footballing side, but with Everton he'd at least get a crack at the Prem for a bit. It'll be very disappointing if he ends up being sold next summer. The way to go would be to loan him to a club for a small fee/wage coverage, but high financial penalties if he's not getting games. A buy-back if he's sold is a no-brainer, but it's disappointing nonetheless.
Sell for decent fee (15m?) to a club that wants to develop and help him fulfill his potential, and secure a reasonable buy-back fee. If it's only a straight loan I'd like to see him go to Everton to get PL-experience.
Everton wouldnt be a good move imo.
I think their first choice midfield would be Onana, Garner & Doucoure, with probably Gueye as the 4th if everyone’s fit. I can’t see him getting many minutes as he’d be back up to Doucoure.
I think their first choice midfield would be Onana, Garner & Doucoure, with probably Gueye as the 4th if everyone’s fit. I can’t see him getting many minutes as he’d be back up to Doucoure.
If Everton doesn't give us some first-refusal option on Onana or Branthwaite...
Probably didn't describe it properly(English is not my native language) - I mean some sort of favorable condition
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Onana picks up quite a few niggles and with Gana at AFCON we need depth. He would get decent rotational game time I think.
I think Everton could be great for him.
They have a manager that really rates a high work ethic and they play decent stuff going by the way they absolutely hammered us in the first half when we last played them.
We play in the Premier League and he will be better served with him getting regular games here than going to Spain.
But ETH didn't play him for another 3 weeks after that performance.
I think his future at united was doomed the moment Mount was bought. Another redundancy, after antony.
Similar sort of player, though I think Hannibal has a higher ceiling IMO.
I still believe he is highly rated. He needs experience and we can’t give it to him. He needs a few months of regular football. Loan is good. Sale and buy back is good. Sale without buy back would be the last straw for me with this fukn club as he is my favourite player to come through from the 21s for as long as I can remember.
He’s raw but anyone who cannot see his talent should give up trying to understand football - I give the staff at the club more credit than that. I predict he will be back.
Does he though? This season we're effectively playing with two #10's, so we need somebody to play next to Bruno.
I'd also say Hannibal is probably better in deeper areas than he is as a #10, so if we go back to a more normal midfield setup we should be using him more as the #8 rather than competition for Bruno. Basically the position that Eriksen or Fred was playing last season.
Technically yeah, we're failing at playing 2 #10's but ten hag is using McTominay because he is physical/an aerial threat and provides some goal threat.
Ideally should really be a 4231, especially with Mainoo deep and partner him with Casemiro. I do think ten hag sees Hannibal as a backup for Bruno even in his current system, but also if we played a balanced and normal system it would be even more so I'd say. From what I've seen, I don't think Hannibal can do that deep role really. Mainoo is a natural at it and you want a ball winner and physical presence next to him long term for a truly elite midfield in the future.
If he doesn’t play much it’ll be a waste of time but I believe he’s good enough to get games there and do well. Hopefully we will be getting a more experienced and well rounded player back. If he doesn’t get games I fear for his chances here next season also. It’s getting to the point where we have to make a long term decision on him.
Hope he moves to Everton. Want to see him shine in the premier league. If he can’t make it big as a star player at Everton he has no chance here.
I hope any option/obligation is for a decent fee and for once we don't sell a rated prospect for peanuts. A decent buy back clause added in the deal is a winner.
However for me, I think he is a talented lad but I am yet to see this superlative talent that you read or hear about. He hasn't displayed any outstanding qualities in his limited displays so far. He can run around and foul people for sure, but yet to see any passing, vision, ball carrying ability, defensive nous etc. that you'd expect to see in a top central midfield prospect. Good luck to him. Hope he can forge a decent career for himself in top division football.
However for me, I think he is a talented lad but I am yet to see this superlative talent that you read or hear about. He hasn't displayed any outstanding qualities in his limited displays so far. He can run around and foul people for sure, but yet to see any passing, vision, ball carrying ability, defensive nous etc. that you'd expect to see in a top central midfield prospect. Good luck to him. Hope he can forge a decent career for himself in top division football.
It’s a shame he hasn’t had a decent run in the team…his effort and desire are second to none. Hasn’t had a chance and it must be disheartening when you see McT getting in ahead.
Out midfield has been crap all season yet EtH continues flogging the same horses.
Out midfield has been crap all season yet EtH continues flogging the same horses.
Why do people just assume that buying clubs would just easily accept buy-back clauses on young talents when buying from big clubs? It almost never happens for a reason. It's not FIFA.
I feel the same, I believe that if you keep giving young players the opportunity, then they will eventually produce good performances, and if, like Andreas Pereira, Tahith Chong, Anthony Elanga, Teden Mengi, they don't quite make the grade at United, then you should be able to get some financial reward from another premiership club.
With Hannibal, I would say that every time he plays, he tries so hard to show Ten Hag that he deserves to play, this spills over into some not too clever challenges. A certain Roy Keane was not afraid of putting himself about, but unfortunately with VAR scrutinising every challenge where a player goes down screaming in 'pain', when they have been tackled, then he would certainly be seeing red soon.
If Ten Hag gave him more opportunities, then I believe that eventually he would usurp McTominay, as he has a more rounded game, especially his awareness on the pitch, something that Scott does not seem to have, although McTominay is probably a bigger goal threat, I feel that we would get more control in the midfield area.
Decent Post....pretty well sums up my thoughts as well.
Hannibal has the qualities to play as a midfielder that demands the ball. We just keep playing him further forward and then wonder why he doesn't get on the ball enough, or why he's not doing enough with the ball with the limited touches he gets. He also chases so much when played further forward, and I would imagine as much as he has an engine, the chasing leads to him losing a bit of his technical ability when tired.
Reminds me of the Gomes situation all over again. A player that started doing better once he was being played in slightly deeper roles from the attacking roles (#10 or wings).
Sometimes there is this myth that playing deeper roles is more difficult than attacking roles for youngsters. It's really dependent on the player. On the surface you can see why people would say that. There is less defensive responsibility, and a youngster can just go out there and enjoy himself. Except I think that it also puts more pressure on the young player to affect the final third because it is an attacking position. When played deeper, a young player would not have any pressure to affect the final third, and can instead focus their performance around feeding players passes, and using their technique to escape pressure via a first touch, first touch passing, or via dribbling.
Some players would find the latter easier to do. So it doesn't make sense to just assume (not saying you, but the general thought) the former is the better position to start youngsters careers.
He's going to end up being sold to pay for Amrabat's crazy loan fee. ETH doesnt rate him high enough to pick him and if you're not getting into Manchester United's midfield when we're the 8th best team in the league you arent going to be sold for a lot. I think hes good enough to have been given more games and I'd be more content with seeing him get chances over Amrabat, Eriksen and even a couple of starts over McTom to bed him in properly and give him a proper run to see what he can do, because the others are older experienced players and simply havent been good enough.
However Mainoo is obviously the priority. If Hannibal doesnt get games, gets loaned and then sold but Mainoo is playing almost every week I'd take it. I think hes clearly the better talent and my worry is that we'll mess up with both of them by not picking Mainoo enough either.
However Mainoo is obviously the priority. If Hannibal doesnt get games, gets loaned and then sold but Mainoo is playing almost every week I'd take it. I think hes clearly the better talent and my worry is that we'll mess up with both of them by not picking Mainoo enough either.
Same. He has so much more in the locker than a McTom. Wants the ball, physical and a good passer.
I would be the final straw with ETH for me if hannibal gets sold. Only shows how poor a judge of young talent he is.
At the moment McT is more useful to the squad because of his goal threat far exceeding our other midfielders (and strikers) because of the way we setup. Unless he changes how he sees us play I don’t see any immediate future for Hannibal
Sadly you are probably right.
Sevilla are a mess at the moment. He will just get lost there
If he were to play every week it could still be a good experience for him.
I say we sell him with a buy back option. It is the best for him and us to be honest. The guy need game time to develop which we cannot afford to give.
He may turn into a good player but he needs a lot of game time which he won’t get at Utd. Makes sense to cash in on him now or in summer, same for Pellistri and Fernandez. Can bank a decent FFP profit on those three and possibly more further down the line with sell on clauses