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I think Liberty have created a bit of a precedent here around Andretti, and one which opens them up to anti-competition laws within the EU.
 

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That’s the most bizarre rationale for rejecting a team I’ve heard. Not just because it’s ridiculous, but also because it’s idiotic and doesn’t make commercial sense.
 

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Elitist bollocks, Andretti would have provided far more value in almost every avenue than 3-4 of the teams already on the grid, probably almost immediately too.
 

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That’s the most bizarre rationale for rejecting a team I’ve heard. Not just because it’s ridiculous, but also because it’s idiotic and doesn’t make commercial sense.
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Surely the obvious reason is that for the teams to agree, any new entrant needs to bring more value to the overall pot than each team would lose by splitting the money with another team?

Also given there’s a limit to the number of new teams (e.g. due to pit lane restrictions) and how once you’re in you’re in, I see why they’re hesitant to give away a place to an Andretti and block a bigger name which will offer genuine competitiveness coming in in the future
 

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Surely the obvious reason is that for the teams to agree, any new entrant needs to bring more value to the overall pot than each team would lose by splitting the money with another team?

Also given there’s a limit to the number of new teams (e.g. due to pit lane restrictions) and how once you’re in you’re in, I see why they’re hesitant to give away a place to an Andretti and block a bigger name which will offer genuine competitiveness coming in in the future
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This current F1 will never get a bigger name than Andretti and GM. What do they want? Facebook Insta Coca-Cola Mastercard racing!?

This is just another manifestation of the shit creek F1 is these days.



It's all down to the entertainment machine f1 has become. Instead of car companies going all the way to build the fastest possible car they can and doing it for advertisement we now have a bunch of fecktards owning and earning money with their teams as an alternative to strippers or netflix. It would have never been a problem in pre-fecktards F1 because the objective was to win races, not earn money.
 
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Surely the obvious reason is that for the teams to agree, any new entrant needs to bring more value to the overall pot than each team would lose by splitting the money with another team?

Also given there’s a limit to the number of new teams (e.g. due to pit lane restrictions) and how once you’re in you’re in, I see why they’re hesitant to give away a place to an Andretti and block a bigger name which will offer genuine competitiveness coming in in the future
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Bigger name than Andretti? Who would that be? Short of getting another major manufacturer, which won't happen because they're all fecking off to WEC, there are no bigger names in racing. Penske? WEC. Chip Ganassi? WEC.

Andretti would have helped the US market F1 is desperate to crack. It's a ridiculous decision but unsurprising.
 

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Bigger name than Andretti? Who would that be? Short of getting another major manufacturer, which won't happen because they're all fecking off to WEC, there are no bigger names in racing. Penske? WEC. Chip Ganassi? WEC.

Andretti would have helped the US market F1 is desperate to crack. It's a ridiculous decision but unsurprising.
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I’m not saying I disagree. I just think the teams/ Liberty disagree!
 

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Absolute legacy move. Some of the greatest of the past two decades have tried to replicate Schumachers revival of a sleeping giant at Ferrari. If Hamilton manages it I think it makes him the GOAT
 

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Think that's a good move for him. Not much left to lose and perhaps the only team that could be competitive with Red Bull at that stage.
 

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Absolute legacy move. Some of the greatest of the past two decades have tried to replicate Schumachers revival of a sleeping giant at Ferrari. If Hamilton manages it I think it makes him the GOAT
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It's Ferrari of today. They will truly feck him with their plan A to Z.
 

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Absolute legacy move. Some of the greatest of the past two decades have tried to replicate Schumachers revival of a sleeping giant at Ferrari. If Hamilton manages it I think it makes him the GOAT
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Stop with this nonsense
 

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I've just found out McLaren are unveiling their new livery at our place on Monday, apparently the car is here now, need to try and find it as I'm away Monday.
 

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Absolute legacy move. Some of the greatest of the past two decades have tried to replicate Schumachers revival of a sleeping giant at Ferrari. If Hamilton manages it I think it makes him the GOAT
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I think there's some romance in his decision too, Ferrari may be a comedy act nowadays but they're still the most iconic team in the paddock
 

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Huge move! If he can bring them back to winning ways it would be an incredible story for both him and the team.
 

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Really surprised by Hamilton thought he'd be starting to consider retirement especially if he gets number 8 this season

Wonder how Leclerc will react as I can't see Lewis taking a spot to be number 2 driver? Ferrari also well known for having team orders

Wonder who will get the Mercedes seat, Lando maybe? Unless McLaren can remain genuinely competitive. An Albon or a Piastri?
 

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gormless said:
Absolute legacy move. Some of the greatest of the past two decades have tried to replicate Schumachers revival of a sleeping giant at Ferrari. If Hamilton manages it I think it makes him the GOAT
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Alternatively Max cakewalking the championship against Ferrari Lewis for a couple of years will cement his claim as the GOAT.
 

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Really surprised by this move! I am a fan of him more than Mercedes. Surely he must think Ferrari’s car will compete better short term. I think the reason for him racing is number 8.
 

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Alternatively Max cakewalking the championship against Ferrari Lewis for a couple of years will cement his claim as the GOAT.
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Can’t fault your logic, but Ferrari must have given Lewis some assurances that the 2025 car would be at least competitive, he won’t just want to to be there, just to make up the numbers.
 

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My interest in F1 is dwindling, but this is a real move for the legacy and the prestige.

Ferrari is synonymous with F1 and like a Man United or Liverpool, is the brand you think of when you hear F1.

Neither party has anything to lose, and potentially plenty to gain.
 

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Wonder who will get the Mercedes seat, Lando maybe? Unless McLaren can remain genuinely competitive. An Albon or a Piastri?
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I think Mercedes will go with Russell as team lead and one of their junior drivers. Kimi Antonelli will be the one to watch, starts F2 with Prema this year and in a couple of years will be the next big thing.
 

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I think that's a brilliant move for both, always felt like he was destined for it one day. If it happens and he goes to Ferrari, returns to the classic Hamilton yellow helmet, it's full on Mansell vibes.
 

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What a dumb move for Ferrari and dumb for Hamilton

Why announce it right before the season starts? Now they’ll give Russell full priority

And at Ferrari it’ll put Leclerc nose out of joint but he’ll out qualify Lewis at almost every race
 

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Hasn't he always wanted to drive for Ferrari? I think almost every driver on the grid would say the same. They're still the greatest and most iconic team in the sport. He'll tick that one off his bucket list and even if they can't beat Red Bull, they should still be as competitive as Mercedes have been of late.

Straight swap with Sainz? Mercedes should go all in on Norris probably.
 

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Anything official by either Hamilton or Ferrari? Can see the appeal for both but is it more than a rumor right now?
 

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What a dumb move for Ferrari and dumb for Hamilton

Why announce it right before the season starts? Now they’ll give Russell full priority

And at Ferrari it’ll put Leclerc nose out of joint but he’ll out qualify Lewis at almost every race
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What difference does it matter when they announce it if they know internally it's happening? Alonso went to McLaren the first time around a season ahead, left with a WDC, makes no difference if the driver does the job.

Lewis might struggle in quali unless he upturns his form, even at his age but his race performance is still absolute top tier, Leclerc's hasn't been, this would be a lovely match up.
 

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Can’t fault your logic, but Ferrari must have given Lewis some assurances that the 2025 car would be at least competitive, he won’t just want to to be there, just to make up the numbers.
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Is the car the biggest issue at Ferrari? Sure they've struggled with reliability but they've snatched so many defeats from the jaws of victory on strategy.
 

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What difference does it matter when they announce it if they know internally it's happening? Alonso went to McLaren the first time around a season ahead, left with a WDC, makes no difference if the driver does the job.

Lewis might struggle in quali unless he upturns his form, even at his age but his race performance is still absolute top tier, Leclerc's hasn't been, this would be a lovely match up.
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Im sure they could have held off for a bit longer, at least until the summer break before doing anything official. that would ensure he stayed number 1 driver at Mercedes.

now he’s guaranteed to be second fiddle for his last season at Merc and second fiddle to Leclerc when he moves.
 

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Im sure they could have held off for a bit longer, at least until the summer break before doing anything official. that would ensure he stayed number 1 driver at Mercedes.

now he’s guaranteed to be second fiddle for his last season at Merc and second fiddle to Leclerc when he moves.
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A story like that would never remain secret in F1 and he's still Lewis Hamilton, being paid to be No 1.

He won't be at Merc, he won't be at Ferrari and you know it. It's like saying Alonso would be second fiddle anywhere he goes, he won't be.
 

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Abizzz said:
Anything official by either Hamilton or Ferrari? Can see the appeal for both but is it more than a rumor right now?
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Toto Wolff is informing Mercedes employees of Hamilton's departure this afternoon then I would expect an official announcement soon after.
 
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