Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

Would you allow ETH to manage the cup final before parting ways?

  • Yes

    Votes: 530 52.8%
  • No, get an interim now

    Votes: 473 47.2%

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Lee565

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Of course it is an excuse, you can't afford to drop every player who underperforms if you don't have the squad depth, it is as simple as that. He did drop Antony, you can't expect him to drop half the team without enough depth ffs. Especially as we are especially thin at forward line.
Depends on what you want, if you want someone to replace rashford that will at the very least work their socks off then that can easily be done, at the end of the day arteta had to make a call on ozil who could easily rack up 10+ assists in a season but decided to replace with someone that works harder for the team.

Van gaal did the same with di maria, ten hag could easily do the same but bottles it because he relies a lot on iindividualism to get goals, we could have used mctominay as striker instead of rashford against Fulham and at the very least mctominay would have worked his socks off in the role.

We could also put bruno as a false 9 and put eriksen in the 10 position but Ten hag seems wedded to this chaotic transition end to end football than showing any level of possession based control with tactics.
 

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He needs to be a Pep Guardiola or Klopp kind of football genius to go along with his appalling transfer decisions. Unfortunately he is not even close to those 2, and we are just wasting time by keeping him.
 

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The analysis is quite lazy from Clichy and Carragher. Sure, United lack cohesion; it's clear. But ultimately, football is an invasion sport, thus chaos is inevitable. Teams can't be positionally perfect throughout the 90 minutes.
Did you actually watch it? we were in bad shape 20 seconds after kickoff!

If you watch United enough, the issues they highlighted are clear and happen frequently.
 

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It’s impossible to defend him with all the tactical analysis we’ve seen this season, the MNF one included. Even if we accept that he needed help to make more suitable transfers, his philosophy still hasn’t worked and makes us less than the sum of our parts. A competent interim manager would benefit this team quite a bit imo.
 

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I think INEOS are focusing on ins and outs upstairs. I don't think much will have been done to identify potential ten Hag replacements or interim options. The group of individuals that would get around a table and hash that out aren't even in the door yet are they?

I personally would be shocked if he went before the end of the season.
 

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Did you actually watch it? we were in bad shape 20 seconds after kickoff!

If you watch United enough, the issues they highlighted are clear and happen frequently.
Yes, damning clip; no compactness. But Mainoo being young, playing central midfield will struggle with decision-making

There needs to be better communication from behind in those instances
 

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Carragher’s hatchet job was spot on. We’re set up to fail in the basics by the manager time and again.
Yet, we were told by certain posters that we were chilidish for complaining and just didn’t understand football if we couldn’t see what he was trying to do.

The stats tell the story of a manager who doesn’t know how to set up and prepare a team at this level.

There is absolutely no way he should be here by June.
 

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Yes, damning clip; no compactness. But Mainoo being young, playing central midfield will struggle with decision-making

There needs to be better communication from behind in those instances
No, it's not the job of the centrebacks to tell the midfield what to do from the first fecking second of a football match to the last.

It's the job of the manager to coach the players so they know what positions to take up, who to mark etc.
 

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Carragher’s hatchet job was spot on. We’re set up to fail in the basics by the manager time and again.
And it’s on the manager 100%, he’s either unable or unwilling to change his system and principles, instead he just waits for players to come back from injury and then plays them into injury again.
 

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Yet, we were told by certain posters that we were chilidish for complaining and just didn’t understand football if we couldn’t see what he was trying to do.

The stats tell the story of a manager who doesn’t know how to set up and prepare a team at this level.

There is absolutely no way he should be here by June.
You’ll notice quite a few will have changed their tune this week. A lot of people need someone to spell it out for them on TV before they buy in. It’s unfortunate but that’s the way it is.
 

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No, it's not the job of the centrebacks to tell the midfield what to do from the first fecking second of a football match to the last.

It's the job of the manager to coach the players so they know what positions to take up, who to mark etc.
You can't plan every situation ahead and prepare every player for every possible situation. Demanding communication is absolutely fair. But yes, obviously there is a need to have a general structure and understanding where to be most of the time.
 

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No it doesn’t, Rodri plays as high as Casemiro does. The main difference is the way the backline operates which is on ETH
Don't agree with that. Rodri is nearly always deeper than the other city midfielders he is one player that doesn't have all the freedom to move wherever. He is generally in central areas between the back line and the forward line.

Casemerio/Mainoo/Mctom/Eriksen are all giving way too much freedom with way too fluidity and you quite end up with no midfielders between the back line and the forward line. Hence teams breaking through our midfield at will.

I watch us and at times really struggle to no who the six is, it's almost like we play 3 no 8's because any one of midfielders could be the deepest but quite often not in a traditional no 6 position.

It's unbelievably reckless and way too fluid.
 

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No, it's not the job of the centrebacks to tell the midfield what to do from the first fecking second of a football match to the last.

It's the job of the manager to coach the players so they know what positions to take up, who to mark etc.
These should not be mutually exclusive.

The top teams will always have some of the best communication between players.
 

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No, it's not the job of the centrebacks to tell the midfield what to do from the first fecking second of a football match to the last.

It's the job of the manager to coach the players so they know what positions to take up, who to mark etc.
That's not necessarily true. Wenger said many times that its on players to make the right decisions. Most fans overrate coaching in football.
 

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That's not necessarily true. Wenger said many times that its on players to make the right decisions. Most fans overrate coaching in football.
No other team in the league, let alone top team, has their midfielders in such a fecking positional quandary 10 seconds into a football match.

And Mainoo isnt stupid, he's positionally one of the most intelligent players we've got despite his age. What you see in those 15 seconds is what happens when a smart footballer meets a moronic philosophy.
 

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No other team in the league, let alone top team, has their midfielders in such a fecking positional quandary 10 seconds into a football match.

And Mainoo isnt stupid, he's positionally one of the most intelligent players we've got despite his age. What you see in those 15 seconds is what happens when a smart footballer meets a moronic philosophy.
Yh like I said, it's poor but that's only one clip. If we saw that unfold in 10-12 other matches; you could say there's an issue.

Regardless of intelligence, young players are going to make positional mistakes; especially in midfield. Viera, when he first joined Arsenal, was one of the most intelligent young midfielders I'd ever seen and he made positional mistakes. Fabregas was similar
 

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I cant understand how any Man Utd fan can still be defending this guy when we have all seen how he is utterly clueless as to how to manage our team and his tactics are non-existant.

Every game we get dominated in the middle as we give the ball away stupidly then all are defensive players are either out of position or just run away from the oppostion player rather than running towards him to close him down and win the ball back.
 

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We aren’t getting top 4 and could be out the last remaining cup competition by tomorrow night. If INEOS aren’t convinced by ETH then there’s no point dragging this out any further. It’s been reported that they’ve already discussed potential replacements so it’s better we pull the trigger now and get a head start on the other clubs that will be looking for new managers. That way we can plan for the summer with a clear idea of which players to recruit for the style of play we want the new manager to implement.
 

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Good analysis here and within a few seconds, you can see exactly why myself and many others have wanted him out for months. He hasn't a clue and has been setting the team up like this since pre season.
 

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'Fulham in their midfield set up surprised us a little bit and then we have to find the solutions'

I'm scared.

Wtf is Pep going to do with us this weekend.
 

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30 minutes to solve Fulham's tactical masterclass of playing a standard system with poor-to-mediocre players. :lol:

And it still took us going a goal down and 89 minutes to score.
 

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ETH seems like the type of guy who'd clear out the stationary cupboard on his way out. The amount of money he's managed to spin out of the clubs to his sons agency must have set them up for life.
 

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But there is probably only been 3 players Antony, Malacia and Martinez that we could say were players he wanted along with DeJong.

The rest just look like opportunistic things he has agreed to.

There we’re stories that when told he could have Casemiro or no one for Dm he was supposedly also told it wouldn’t affect our ability to buy a striker only for it then to affect our ability to buy a striker. Hence we had to get Weg in on a loan as we had no money for anything else.

So I don’t think it’s as clear as he has been given everything he wanted.

I also doubt he wanted to pay 90 mil for Antony or 60mil for mount.But given all the fecking around and lack of options we ended up getting done over.

We know the club has been terrible at doing buisness ever since Gil left. Hopefully that is going to change and we will move in a direction where managers are actually given the tools to succeed here.

Anyway I’ve seen enough to give him another year anyway. Hopefully he can get rid of a few more high profile wasters so we can actually start to become a proper football team.
You can't say that at all. Onana and Mount are his players, no doubt. And if he's not selecting players and accepting the view of the executives above him then that's even more of a disaster. And if he thought they (or Antony) were too much, then he'd have said so and the deals wouldn't have been done. Clearly, for United to go as far as they did for Antony he must have insisted he wanted him. Same for Mount - who by the way, we'll never move on given the wages he's on.

I also didn't say he's been given "everything he wanted" - the fact is he has spent in excess of £400 million and looking at it objectively, it could have been much better spent. I don't think there's a player he's brought in who wouldn't be available for less than we paid for them this summer, with the possible exception of Hojlund.

Clearly, the transfer debacle is not entirely his fault but to suggest he can't be blamed at all on the basis of "he shouldn't have been allowed to do it", which is what some on here seem to suggest, is bizarre. He needs to take his share of the responsibility. The players aren't good enough and they clearly don't suit the style he initially wanted to play, hence why that's been abandoned.

You're entitled to your opinion but I'm intrigued as to what you see on the pitch that indicates there's any chance that this will come right and he'll be able take us forward. All the evidence I see suggests otherwise. We're being outplayed by mid-table sides, conceding a boat load of chances game after game and he's being outthought by half the managers in the PL.

The game plan seems to be a half arsed press from the front, leaving acres of space in behind and then hoping the opposition can't convert chances so we can hit them on the break. Unless we park the bus against the decent sides we'll get murdered playing like that.
 

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ETH seems like the type of guy who'd clear out the stationary cupboard on his way out. The amount of money he's managed to spin out of the clubs to his sons agency must have set them up for life.
There's enough to criticise ten Hag for without resorting to bizarre and bitter shite like this.
 

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Moyes, Mourinho, LVG, Carrick, McKenna, Solskjaer, Rangnick and ETH can’t all be ‘shit managers’ and indeed have proven so at other clubs.
So the common factor here is Manchester United.
Doesn't mean the bloke in charge is any good.
 

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Premier League teams to have faced 20+ shots (Selected)
ClubManagerGamesFaced 20+Shots
Manchester UnitedErik ten Hag6412
ArsenalMikel Arteta1617
Manchester CityPep Guardiola2924
LiverpoolJurgen Klopp3222

One of the most overrated managers of all time.