Neither played on the right though, at least not initially. Antony could have filled any of the positions Forson did, and he is a much better player regardless of his form etc.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Strikes me as our scouting network and director of football not having any proper targets lined up, so we've resorted to more easily attainable players, using an agency our manager has a link to.
Our transfer team have apparently been chasing the likes of Frenkie de Jong, Kim Min-Jae and Harry Kane, so it's no wonder we've ended up failing there.
I think it's more likely that we are so shit at making transfers he felt like he needed them to help and as they have worked with the club in the past multiple times the club agreed to it.
United probably considers them a 'friendly' agent so it might have been suggested to Hojlund to hire them to help facilitate his move because it was such a big deal.
The stuff about his son making money off the deals is so dumb, he works there as an analyst
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This was said before Liverpool game, before Aston Villa game etc etc, and guess what? They did feck all with us. All doom and gloom.
Unstoppable
now we know how he convinced our scouts against their better judgementOh he works there. That makes it alright then..The stuff about his son making money off the deals is so dumb, he works there as an analyst
Jesus Christ. When you consider he's not even been our manager for two years yet also, there's just nothing to cling on to. Has to go.
We were extremely lucky to get the results we got at Anfield and Villa Park, but it all reverts back to our master plan which is predicated on our opposition wasting all their good chances.
Liverpool especially is a funny one. We lost 7-0 last year and drew 0-0 this year, and we actually gave them more of a game in the 7-0 loss. It would have probably been fair to lose 3-0/4-0 twice with both these performances, so the average is still there.
City will quite obviously annihilate us though. There is no other possible outcome.
Dressing room as lost as ever.
To be fair the players probably have more right to mutiny under Erik than any of the previous failures. The system they're being asked to play in is so clearly not fit for purpose.
Is this a joke? Don’t think that’s how it works. You get a day of if you win and play good. You should be made to train the day after a loss, especially to teams like Fulham.
Makes what alright? What are you suggesting is going on?
Yeah he's poor at setting up a team that's for sure. I have no idea what people are seeing when they try to argue he should be kept. By every metric he falls short of the standard that United managers should be held to
Dropping Antony is one of the things you can't criticise Ten Hag for. The guy has no goals or assists in 20 league games.
Some of these players joined SEG just prior to signing though, it's not like they were already there.
I don't know if I believe that FdJ wasn't an ETH-led approach either. Trusted journos said that he believes that FdJ wanted the move and he was insisting we ride it out. I also think, had we put the money up, we could have got KMJ or Kane.
A family memeber benefitting financially from our transfer purchases. You dont know what that is called?
Sure they will. Like in all other doom and gloom games this season. People never learn I guess. Have to feed on that negativity.
I'd take him over Forson, would you not? Even if just for his experience at this level and ability to keep the ball to a reasonable standard.
And if he thinks he's unstoppable when in form, then play the guy. Show some conviction in your beliefs and try to play him into form and show us all that you are right.
People are different. Some need a day off to clear their head after such a thing, others need to put in a double shift to get rid of their anger for losing. Based on this I would draw no conclusion at all, it's a total non-story if you ask me.
He's not benefiting financially from our transfer purchases.
Not necessarily, Forson has played 56 minutes so hard to tell his level. Whereas we can see Antony's level.
They shouldn’t get a choice to be honest. The manager should grow some balls and make them train the day after poor performances. When we got smashed of Brentford, ETH made them run the amount of miles we got out run by and then after that I’m sure we went on a good run.
Explain how he's directly benefiting financially please?
He works at one of the biggest football agencies in the Netherlands. He's a fecking analyst not an agent making commission on the deals. There's absolutely nothing in it.
Now you are changing the subject. I am only calling out all the doom "they will humiliate us" moments this season where people looked like clowns after every prediction like that. Just because we are having a bad season doesn't automatically mean we will lose 8:0 to City.
Given how most of our signings turned out, it's worth investigating.
I don't see too many people arguing that he needs to be kept. I haven't been hugely wedded to keeping him, but I am just concerned that people seem to think sacking the manager and getting a new coach in under the same conditions will fix everything. There is so much wrong at the club that needs major surgery, on the pitch and off.
The way our supporter base (particularly online) has gone makes long term planning very difficult as well, so a key quality in whoever is the next manager needs to be an ability to manage transition in the club around them.
They have no right to mutiny.
People have been doom and gloom before pretty much every game this year. Half the time they were correct, half the time they were not. It's in the nature of how we play, as the outcome is largely reliant on our opposition's ability to convert scoring opportunities.
Is his son a volunteer there? does he work for free?
Are you simple?
Again, I am only talking about extreme humiliation predictions, where people go into clownish extremes like usual, not simple losses.
We wouldn't be hiring a new manager (head coach) under the same conditions. We'll have an entirely new structure in place with new owners overseeing football operations. All the more reason to bin off a mediocre manager and find the best man available
Oh dear, seems like i've hit a brick wall
I don't think anyone expected us to be humiliated by Villa. Lose, yes, get humiliated I don't think so, especially as we were entering that game in decent form.
Liverpool, yeah, everyone was wrong, they battered us but could not score. I don't think City will be as wasteful, both in terms of scoring the chances they get as well as not doing much with the ball with 70% possession.
Yeah, I agree that the manager should decide, but still I disagree that he should do the same to everyone. What was it how SAF used to do it? "Some need an arm around the shoulder, other's a kick in the butt" or something along those lines? That's what I am suggesting. However that needs good man-management skills and I somehow don't believe ETH has those on that level.
Depends. If players are actually tired, running for the sake of running probably isn't the best way to manage their fitness.
I don't know enough details about the agency or Ten Hag's feelings about de Jong to comment much further.
I don't think we ever had the money for Kim, which is why we were trying to ship Maguire and McTominay, and certainly didn't have the money for Kane, given Spurs would have wanted much more from a PL team, so it's a bit moot whether they'd have come.
How many of our ETH signings were with SEG?
You do realise that only 2/16 of the transfers we made under ETH had anything to do with SEG.
You're sounding like a conspiracy theorist.
No, I want rid.Wait, aren't you one of the posters that thinks we should keep him? Just a bit of a masochist?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-manager.470032/post-31673080
You literally don't know what you're talking about mate.