Probably hoping Ten Hag can hold on until they get Nagelsmann to comit to the job after the Euros. If they have to move before then, I fully expect them to appoint Potter.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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This Ajax myth. They've played the same system as a club for the last 60 years. He just took over the reigns and guided them.
I somewhat agree but I'm not totally against people doing so either. I wanted Ole out after losing the final because I thought he took us as far as he could (I think that's when most did) so it's not so much about defending Ole. It's more about providing more context for how disappointing ten Hag has been. He was supposed to be the coach that finally progressed our style of play, but, in the end, he's done no better (worse, in my opinion) than a manager many thought was always out of his depth here due to his lack of credentials.
It's definitely about least worse rather than best post Fergie manager, and even then - in regards to full time managers - ten Hag is rock bottom for me.
That's if we can get in there before the host of top clubs who are clamouring for his signature. If Ten Hag is departing at the end of the season, I can't see INEOS waiting until the Euros end before appointing his replacement. I would hope they are in talks now with the next man.
What would be the difference? We're losing and playing garbage with the big names. The overpampering of players who clearly do not deserve to be pampered is why we are where we are today. Some of these guys would have put in trasnfer requests on their own if they performed like this at a place like Real Madrid or Barcelona because their fans would not accept it. Our lot just accept anything and even continue to defend these players. Dead last in the CL, 11 games lost and -2 goal difference and fans are still worried about hurting the players feelings. Amazing.
A little out of date, but still surprising.
And a lot of ifs and buts behind the statistics.
Top 5 Manchester United Managers Based On Win Percentage
A list of the five managers with the highest win percentage while in charge of Manchester United.
Data correct as of December 4, 2023.
And a lot of ifs and buts behind the statistics.
Top 5 Manchester United Managers Based On Win Percentage
A list of the five managers with the highest win percentage while in charge of Manchester United.
Data correct as of December 4, 2023.
| Manager | From | To | Games | Wins | Win % |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Erik ten Hag | 2022 | Present day | 83 | 51 | 61.45% |
| Alex Ferguson | 1986 | 2013 | 1,500 | 895 | 59.67% |
| Jose Mourinho | 2016 | 2018 | 144 | 84 | 58.33% |
| Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | 2018 | 2021 | 168 | 91 | 54.17% |
| Ernest Mangnall | 1903 | 1912 | 373 | 202 | 54.16% |
The posts defending him looking more and more deranged by the day. Why can people not just say they were wrong?
The damage he is doing is a really massive issue at this stage.
The damage he is doing is a really massive issue at this stage.
Yep. Liverpool, Bayern, Barca are all in for Head Coaches this summer.
They have to move quick. As in from now. Guaranteed the aforementioned teams are working on their vacancies right now.
They've also all been hamstrung by the woeful structure above and around them. All of our recent managers have been set up to fail, with the club forcing signings onto them, holding onto players they don't want, and being unable to identify alternatives when required. Fortunately, given the way the new regime is shaping up, hopefully we'll be able to support our managers rather than work against them from now on.
That is quite surprising. I wonder if we can do stuff like xG/90 or xPts per manager. I'll dig a bit.
Utd have been tragic since the league cup final, and the worst thing about that is the numbers, the actual results, have still flattered the performances.
I don't see any on pitch argument for keeping him.
I don't see any on pitch argument for keeping him.
For me the opposite is true, if they go the knee jerk approach and bring in any old manager or caretaker it would trigger alarm bells as it would demonstrate the same short-sighted approach we've had for a decade now, which is the primary reason we are where we are, miles behind the top teams.
A much better approach would be for them to spend a little time up until the summer in order to establish a style of football they want us to play, and find personnel (players, manager, coaches, etc) that fit, and bring them in early in the summer. A bit of planning will go a long way, we need to be able to think beyond a new manager bounce.
We don't draw often under him so it's not too surprising. I'd imagine his loss % is also among the highest as a result.
Unfortunately sixth place and being underwater in goal difference won't save him.
Despite what feels like one of the worst seasons in our modern history, he is still at a humble 50% win rate across all competitions.
We could have reasonably expected Ten Hag's record to improve, had he continued with the mid block and compact approach he switched to after Brentford away last season.
However, he chose to go for a high press this season. With the result that most teams have found it just as easy to get at us as Brentford did that day.
Something, something, definition of insanity...
I'd be interested in the xg data from 1903 if you find it.
ZZ is still unemployed but it's said he won't manage in England. Alonso will be in demand but you'd have to think he'd prefer Liverpool or Barca. There aren't that many good managers/coaches available. Also I think the barcodes will dump Howe and money is no object for them. It's a gloomy outlook but there must be someone who fancies the United job.
You might be right, but are they really prepared to sacrifice CL? Because that's the decision they're facing. Obviously if they make a change it might not change the outcome anyway, which they're probably also thinking.
CL doesn't actually impact our ability to spend in the summer, so they probably care less than one might think. A full season without Europe for the new guy to bed his team and push a league campaign probably isn’t a worst case scenario. At this point I think they are more concerned about ensuring that the next manager is the right one.
There's some good managers currently unemployed. The likes of Lopetegui etc. If they're lying and actually not bothered about CL football, which would be daft given the financial impact and the need to invest in the squad, then fair enough.
But I think everyone would be happy with an interim with pedigree being given a chance to turn it around and make a case for getting the job going forward. If they don't then we hire who we would have anyway.
The elephant in the room is the links to Potter. The guys coming in seemingly rate him. If that's who they want anyway, then why not now? A free hit for the season to put in work in implementing tactics etc and getting a better view of the squad.
It would be madness just to go for someone available now on the off chance they might get us CL for next season. If thats the kind of decision making they would have we are utterly screwed. It's a long term project, buggering it from the start to chase a sniff of CL would be something we would have done in the past. Have to hope Ineos and co are different.
If they have the right target in mind they need to wait for them / take whatever happens in the meantime.
They have. But on a personal level they've all been varying levels of terrible.
Which top clubs are clamouring for Graham fecking Potter?
Why are people still mentioning Ole? let if go FFS! The 2-0 defeat to City in one of his last games was one of the worst performances i've ever seen from a United side and even City took pity on us that day. It doesn't matter that he won some other games against City previously he was rightly sacked for a terrible job that season and EtH can have no complaints if something similar happens in the next few weeks. Both haven't been good enough, it's no use saying "at least Ole" etc.
The one thing i REALLY wish someone would tell him is that most fans wanted a serious change from the counter-attacking reactive football of Ole and Jose, so why did he decided to build on their legacies and actually make a less potent, even duller version of that blueprint? Everyone of us assumed that he'd be the one to change the style of play and shape the squad to those new methods. This isn't a reaction to today's result, which felt inevitable and the set-up was the only way he could really approach the game, but in general i don't like this style of football.
The one thing i REALLY wish someone would tell him is that most fans wanted a serious change from the counter-attacking reactive football of Ole and Jose, so why did he decided to build on their legacies and actually make a less potent, even duller version of that blueprint? Everyone of us assumed that he'd be the one to change the style of play and shape the squad to those new methods. This isn't a reaction to today's result, which felt inevitable and the set-up was the only way he could really approach the game, but in general i don't like this style of football.
Really? There were journalists recently saying is crucial to their plan due to the revenue. If not then fair enough, let's faster for the rest of the season.
Deluded. Yet there people on here who clap like seals for him on here.
Can you also paste loss rate?
The result you maybe can't judge him on but you can ask have we in any way, having watched today, changed from the football under Ole? Against City I mean.
I think the answer is an obvious no. We play exactly the same way but with even less quality.
The football has changed since Ole. It's now worse
Eric, can I ask you a question? When are we going to play like city…possession, moving between the lines game?
I was being facetious.
We have a higher chance of winning games with senior players than if we were to play the reserves. Whilst I agree with the concept of getting rid of these underperforming, overpampered players - you wait until the summer to do it. There's a reason why no PL manager exiles most of the top earners half way through the season. There's too much money at stake between finishing 5th and finishing 11th.
I don’t get what he would be bringing to the table or how anybody could think “yeh that’s the guy we need”.
Only one way utd are going and thats backwards.
Haven't progressed since League Cup win last year.
See no improvement at all in football being played.
How many fans here can turn around and say I can see what Ten Hag is trying to do with this team/squad football wise?
Haven't progressed since League Cup win last year.
See no improvement at all in football being played.
How many fans here can turn around and say I can see what Ten Hag is trying to do with this team/squad football wise?
It's games and performances like the one vs Fulham that makes you want him gone (and a number of others), not this loss at City even though we got dominated for most of the game. This one was expected and could've even ended differently if Rashford was able to take his chances at 1-0.
I think even if you try to be on ten Hag's side and defend him, mention all the injuries we've had, it's still hard to defend: finishing 4th in CL group made of Bayern, Copenhagen and Galatasaray (got knocked out by Sparta Prague in EL 10 days ago) with a -3 GD; sitting in 6th in PL with 11 losses and -2 GD; also knocked out of Carabao Cup 3-0 at home vs Newcastle back in November. But that's just results, performances haven't been great in most of the games either.
Erik will be given until May because he had a strong first season and won a trophy but that's about it. Even a potential Fa Cup win won't save him, similar to van Gaal.
I think even if you try to be on ten Hag's side and defend him, mention all the injuries we've had, it's still hard to defend: finishing 4th in CL group made of Bayern, Copenhagen and Galatasaray (got knocked out by Sparta Prague in EL 10 days ago) with a -3 GD; sitting in 6th in PL with 11 losses and -2 GD; also knocked out of Carabao Cup 3-0 at home vs Newcastle back in November. But that's just results, performances haven't been great in most of the games either.
Erik will be given until May because he had a strong first season and won a trophy but that's about it. Even a potential Fa Cup win won't save him, similar to van Gaal.
He keeps saying how we are progressing but can give us no tangible reasons as to why……
Yes, but just because ETH was supposed to be this or that, doesn't suddenly make Ole's tenure good.
Unfortunately that's what's happened with us every single time: a manager starts to fail badly after maybe showing some promise; people start saying that the previous manager was better; but then it goes too far, the revisionism starts and people genuinely try to make out that maybe the previous manager was actually pretty decent. That's when it gets ridiculous.
The problem with judging worst to least worst is that it's very much subjective and each list will have variations. Its a sad state of affairs that after ten years and multiple managers, we don't actually have one that stands out as being successful. ETH has been a massive disappointment, but that doesn't mean that anyone before him should be painted in a better light. Plenty of managers fail after massive hype, it is what it is. Let's hope now that we've gotten our house in order, things will start to look better. I very much doubt that ETH will be here next season.
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