Did you?
Before Mounts injury at the end of November. McTominay started against, Sheffield United, Man City, Copenhagen, Fulham and Luton in a row with Mount on the bench.
Is that incorrect?
Let me know.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Before Mounts injury at the end of November. McTominay started against, Sheffield United, Man City, Copenhagen, Fulham and Luton in a row with Mount on the bench.
Is that incorrect?
Let me know.
Have you considered a player that was out for the majority of last season, who just joined with a reoccurant calf problem, might need to be eased back before starting? Would that explain a couple of the fixtures you eluded to?
I'd thought the point was obvious but fair enough, maybe I didn't phrase it well.
How can it be argued that Jose did lose his job and Erik might lose his job because he had to play poor players like McTominay.
When Jose loved Scott and Erik this season has preferred him to his own midfield signings. It doesn't matter that he was open to selling him, if he's now one of his go to guys this season.
Is your goal in this thread to obfuscate and drag the discussion down every conceivable tedious and irrelevant avenue but the obvious one?
Please make that clear in future. Post not poster and all that.
Available in terms of on a bench and on the pitch able to make an impact are very different. Højlund can’t score being “available” he has to be playing minutes but those have had to be managed due to injury, adapting to a new league and the lack of a back up meaning we can’t risk him being in the red zone too much. Hence 58% vs other forwards.
Rashford has been poor this season. I wonder why our LW has found it more difficult to play this season. Could it have anything to do with not having a LB overlapping him?
Bruno has created but we’ve not had a consistent presence in attack. When we have, Højlund has scored.
Garancho is having a good season for a 19 year old
Antony has been really poor in terms of output.
We have reasons for our key threat (Rashford) being in sub optimal conditions. We know from previous seasons our attacks were left side biased. We have struggled without that side being effective.
It’s not the long term plan but I’m at the point where I think Ten Hag is accepting we defend the box well so we’re happy for pot shots or blocked shots to come our way.
Let’s look at top scorers in the PL (% mins):
- Haaland 76
- Watkins 99
- Salah 72
- Bowen 96
- Solanke 99
- Son 82
- Saka 67
- Isak 56
It’s completely disingenuous to assume that just because a player is on a bench or starts a game that they are fit and fully ready to go which hasn’t been the case with Højlund’s season.
Mins played is a fairer reflection of what impact a player has actually been able to make vs a hypothetical one where they are listed in a match day squad.
A combination of arriving with a back injury, being young, adjusting to the PL and having no back up (Martial) has meant we’ve had to be very cautious with Højlund’s minutes.
A combination of injuries to all our left sided defenders (constant) and key midfielders (on and off) has meant our build up and attacks down the left have made Rashford’s job harder too.
Exactly, it's a ludicrous take with zero rational basis behind it.
And yeah, I think a clean break this summer would be for the best.
I check back in after a few days and the same posters still have the will to defend absolutely every last detail/criticism aimed at our manager 
At this point I'm convinced ETH's agency have people on this forum.
It's honestly bat-shit crazy. When he's sacked and a distant memory, many posters are going to feel like absolute plonkers in the cold light of day.
At this point I'm convinced ETH's agency have people on this forum.It's honestly bat-shit crazy. When he's sacked and a distant memory, many posters are going to feel like absolute plonkers in the cold light of day.
Let's face it, they will then still think they were right and that the sacking was injustice to EtHI check back in after a few days and the same posters still have the will to defend absolutely every last detail/criticism aimed at our manager
It's honestly bat-shit crazy. When he's sacked and a distant memory, many posters are going to feel like absolute plonkers in the cold light of day.
McTominay has legs that Eriksen and Amrabat don't. Mount has been injured basically all season.
It's a disingenuous comparison, and I'd be very surprised if he's in anyone's plans given the style of football we want to play.
The structure at Spurs is essentially unchanged since last season, but they play an entirely different style of football that the team has clearly bought into. Why? Because they changed the Manager; the person who approves signings, promotes academy players, coaches the squad, decides the tactics, selects the team and tweaks the setup during matches.
Who does all those things at United? Because that probably also the person most responsible for how the team plays.
Structure is important, but if a team is poorly coached… that’s due to the Coach.
Quietly they will. A bit like the Ole lot who recently poked their heads back above the parapet this week to claim he was actually a good manager after all
No it was just United players playing 5 a side in the desert.
Can everybody calm down and stop saying obfuscate.
This is like a monthly Caf ritual at this point.A bit like the Ole lot who recently poked their heads back above the parapet this week to claim he was actually a good manager after all
That’s probably fair enough, certainly in some posts on here Ten Hag will either be over or under criticised heavily. I’ve just read a story that claimed INEOS are including Erik in the plans for next season, if that’s true let’s hope we can improve once he has players back.
I mean, that's how you're making it sound.
Ole did ok, he was decent for a couple of seasons and I was one for supporting him until the end, but it’s ridiculous that we now have people rewriting history as if Ole is a better coach than Erik given the absolute clamour for us to get ETH in when Rangnick left.Quietly they will. A bit like the Ole lot who recently poked their heads back above the parapet this week to claim he was actually a good manager after all
You basically tried to argue McTominays role as being part of a wider plan even thought Ten Hag tried to sell him.
You also acknowledged Mount was injured, but used games just after he came back, building up to full fitness, to try and force a narrative that McTominay was always the favourite.
His football has been comfortably worse than Rangnick this season. Even Ralf had that little run where we looked solid.
No. Just no.
Reading this thread I feel the inconsolable loss of those who wanted Qatar.
The loss of all that money.
Wanting SJR to fail so they can say "I told you So'.
Get rid of Erik and if the replacement does not win every game blame SJR.
They would rather see United lose. Just so they are proven right.
The loss of all that money.
Wanting SJR to fail so they can say "I told you So'.
Get rid of Erik and if the replacement does not win every game blame SJR.
They would rather see United lose. Just so they are proven right.
We did look pretty solid for half an hour.
Before Ratcliffe arrived there was seldom any mention of top four from the club and shortly after Jim's arrival the manager mentioned it in a press conference and last month stated that it is a minimum requirement.
I personally don't think he's a long term manager that's destined for success but I can see a case where if he gets top four it will give him significant credit in how he is viewed from the hierarchy. Ratcliffe's dismissive comments last month around if he has confidence in the manager paints the overall picture. They have a manager that behind closed doors are potentially very skeptical of, so are using the structure to deflect the issue while at the same time likely not having a clear favorite candidate in terms of a replacement.
If what Hirst mentioned being the cost of his dismissal, I see it as two distinct possibilities; they are either waiting for the manager to hit that benchmark of failing to qualify for Europe so it's less of an expense by way of compensating his leave or it could mean that another manager they have eyes for is under difficult contractual conditions where a large payout would be necessary.
The best is yet to come.
You say that and yet when he did first arrive we got a new Manager bounce (just like Ten Hag managed initially) and in his first 15 PL games we only lost once and got 5 wins in his opening 6 games. Our season fell apart after the Atletico Madrid game.
Is this a poem?
Everything for some of you has to be explained by conspiracy. It can't be as simple as "the manager is terrible so should be sacked" like any other club in the world. There's always a hidden agenda about wanting a failure of a manager to be sacked.
Eras must come to an end
A new manager bounce just like ten hag did initially? We performed broadly well for about 2/3rds of last season.
For 2024 we have played 11, of which we won 8 and drawn 1. If we are talking about results, it still doesn't stack up.
5 wins in his first 6 games? feck me, I literally have no good memories of his ill fated tenure, but that wasn't a bad start.
My only memories of him are the mentalists on here who were absolutely enraged by the mere sight of the man. Fun times.
I'd take his weird 4-2-2-2 over our 4-1----------2-2-1 any day!
This thread is fecking dreadful.
Is it when the other part of the post specifically mentioned playing midweek, literally every week for almost half the season? No other club had to do that.
100%. What's even more heinous is that they'll go so far as to downplay the damage the Glazers have done to the club to prove their point.
Spurs under Postecoglou are a huge example of how ETH could and should be doing better, not with results but with implementation of their style of football. They have consistently played a high line, always try to press high, always try to keep the ball. This hasn't changed through their injuries. Micky Van Der Ven has made a huge difference and their results suffered when he was absent but they have consistently applied their football better than we have ours. In the beginning I've said give it time before we hail or fail Postecoglou and even now I'd say let's see how the 2nd season goes, always harder but he has done a better coaching job than ETH.
New manager bounce according to people in this thread. Or does that only apply to Ten Hag?
I don't understand any of that. Also they said on skysports or something a few weeks ago that according to data, Iraola was stylistically the closest manager in football to Klopp (and therefore the best appointment for Liverpool if they want to keep the same style of football)
It’s fecking Groundhog Day. Same arguments rehashed, repackaged and served up in a delectable shit sandwich.
Cannot wait for the season to end.
Sadly I do read the replies mate.
If it's so well doeumented then you should have too much trouble finding the quotes that back up your Ten Hag claims.