What’s crazy is that these teams are so overwhelmed by options in all that space, they have a sensory overload and can’t decide which is the best to go for.
It’s our own use of The Force. It would be an odd decision - from him and Bayern. He was sacked by them a year ago as he had lost the confidence and respect of the top brass and the players. It would make the board look utterly incompetent. He also might never get the chance to manage United again.
Yeah, that's my point... It's just a thing people on here do. It's nothing to do with being 'related' which is obviously just facetious terminology and isn't literal.
But he hadn't lost the players, a lot of them were quite surprised by that decision. And the "top brass" Kahn and Salihamidzic performed so poorly that they were sacked by their superiors shortly after.
I'm not sure it's hard to believe that someone would rather coach their national team to a World Cup rather than come in late to preseason to take over a team in 6th with a really poor squad and currently without a director of football, head of recruitment or technical director.
Dislike this argument.
Eh? Wasn't there a very well reported incident with Neuer? I thought it was established that it had become fracticious. Also wasn't aware it was just Kahn and Salihamidzic calling the shots. Maybe he'll be back then.
Forget Klopp and Pep, most PL managers wouldn't allow 20+ shots on target every game.
Ah come on, it's not typical for a young and aspiring manager to spend a significant chunk of their early years development at a national team. He had been sacked by Bayern and Germany were in need of a manager. I'm sure his ambitions are greater than international management.
Yes there was, about sacking Bayern's goalkeeper coach (and Neuer's close personal friend) Tapalovic. Clearly some players like him more than others, but I think that's just natural. Also I think it was relatively quickly clarified with Neuer that that wasn't a decision against him but that Tapalovic was sacked because he didn't care about any keeper not called Neuer. Neuer still stayed as Bayern's number one and even as Germany's first choice now under Nagelsmann (which is a decision that at least meets some skepticism considering ter Stegen is performing well and is much less injured currently), so it doesn't look like there is real bad blood between Neuer and Nagelsmann.
Yeah, I've asked twice now and tumbleweeds.
I didn't really believe he was going to be a long term success for us, just at that point in time I thought he was doing a relatively decent job and did not deserve the abuse he got on here (what ETH is getting is nothing compared to what was thrown at Ole at the time). I wanted him to go badly in his final season and thought he was beyond saving but was OK with all that happened between 2019 and 2021. With ten Hag, I was very happy with him this time last year, but the last 12 months have made me lose any hope as they exacerbated all the warning signs I saw in his first season while basically revoking any of the positives.
See I think the answer lies with neither of them, but I think Southgate would be on a short leash with supporters and would be out of here quickly if/ when he doesn't deliver.
Southgate would never be accepted from the start. Think it would be a pointless endeavour.
Abuse? I mean ETH was called a wanker and a clown in here several times yesterday... But nah, you Ole lot were a special breed. All valid criticisms were met with the kind of sarcastic retorts you're famous for in here, except they were serious responses. I agree, no manager should be abused, but even the slightest criticisms of Ole were met with instant shut downs on here.
I think it's probably more likely than not that he will go back to club football but only for the right opportunity and I'm not sure given the options he would have that United would be that opportunity. The situation hopefully will change for the better but it hasn't as of yet, if anything at least before we theoretically had a director of football in place in John Murtough while we currently have a theoretical director of football on gardening leave for an unknown period of time. I agree that the vast majority of managers would go for it but the vast majority of managers don't have Germany, Bayern and potentially the likes of Liverpool and Juventus as alternative options.
If they go that route then I hope they learn their lesson very quickly. But they, for me, cannot go into next season with ETH, as it will be a terrible look for them. It'll basically be them saying we're either skint or that we're writing off another season.
I thought it was evident I was speaking regarding sentiment in this thread, apologies, I should have made that clearer
I never said it was great. I said it’s resulted in the limited options once Quansah makes the poor initial decision.
Unless you go man to man (Bielsa style) there will always be a player free.
I agree on all these points. Nonetheless I think it would have been even better if Diaz on the other wing was the free man, because the distance to pass to him is even bigger in that situation which makes that pass, even if he is free, much more difficult and risky to pull of than the pass to Salah. But as I already said that's nitpicking and the difference between good (which this was) and perfect.
But I think the goodwill is coming from his backers. Surely no one who was on the fence or a naysayer will have changed their opinion based on yesterday's game.
I feel like you're splitting hairs a bit here. The options were what you'd come to expect and what they faced all game, he had 3 options and normally it would have been a mundane passage of play if not for the mistake.
According to reports Liverpool's first choice is Amorim, Bayern's is Nagelsmann as well as De Zerbi. Juve?! I think if we wanted him he'd come. You might not agree, though.
Not perfect no, but this was a very good example of how to set up to prevent central progression. How when inexperienced players make mistakes, to be in the positions to take advantage of them.
I’m pointing out the intricacies of how this stuff works because if I don’t people misrepresent my views and I get called a cultist or whatever other lazy rubbish comes out.
It's not impossible. My fundamental point is that the club structure has bequeathed a bunch of players who, setting aside whether they have bad attitudes, aren't in many cases cut out for the rigours of intense modern football that Klopp and Pep brought to our shores, with its high press, its high energy, its constant focus on space and detail, its constant discipline. Without 11 of those people on the pitch every week you won't win stuff, you'll just be scrabbling around for fourth and fifth place.
I don't know. I'm struggling to recognise United fans these days, I mean:
I haven't really held them to different standards. When we were playing fairly well last season I was pro-ETH, and when we were performing similarly under Ole in 20-21 I was pro-Ole. When we started playing horribly under ETH this season I have wanted him out, and when things went south under Ole I wanted him out as well (also questioned him at the beginning of 19-20).
I agree. There are managers nowhere near on their level who could get more out of this squad. Emery would. Perhaps O'Neil would. Maybe even Eddie Howe, who galvanised a fairly average squad last year and achieved a lot.
At the end of 2020/21 Ole had been here 2 and a half seasons and it was obvious to most that he wasn't the right man. ETH done a passable job considering it was his first season. If he were 2 and a half seasons into the job, then no, last season would have had massive red flags.
That comment section is next level delusional
And I thought it was bad on here.tl;dr Varane, Maguire, Casemiro, Evans are too slow/immobile for a high press but we're playing it anyway while they sit back and get overrun. This is well known. The solution is don't play high press or get new players. The same applies whether ETH stays or not.
