You'd think it was Klopp's Kidz who played more than 3,000 minutes the way the media has been rapping on about them this past month.
I don't want him sacked, but there is massive investment needed whether is or not, no one stands a chance next season working with the squad we currently have, and I thought the whole point of the new setup was that they choose the players (and style), so everytime we change the manager it's not such a big drama.
Says the guy who doesn’t seek outside perspective on United in case it’s ‘negative’.I don’t think it’s dumb to want more experienced players. Mount is a CL winning midfielder.
Typical Chelsea fan
It depends. The issue with a veto is that the manager is a short-term position and his interest will naturally be the here and now. I wouldn't want to miss out on a generational talent who's available for a large fee but who wouldn't be expected to contribute to the first team for another two years, for example.
What sort of bollocks is this? I used him as an example of doubtful managerial pedigree, you understand this? I'm not actually defending him
We had multiple players out injured due to his insistence on playing the same 11 in micky mouse competitions, which meant someone like Shaw, who's never been able to maintain fitness was playing 3 to 4 times in 2 weeks. Anyone that watched us after the League Cup final knows we were playing shite for the most part.What sort of bollocks is this? I used him as an example of doubtful managerial pedigree, you understand this? I'm not actually defending him
It's an objective statement, we didn't limp over the line so stop outright making things upm
So we didn't limp over the line. We comfortably finished in the top 3, finished with two finals, one cup and had about the same levels as what you'd expect with that amount of games. Cool.
Hes spent well over £400m in 2 years and you still think massive investment needed with ETH at the helm. How much he need to build a team. Insanity.
A bunch of players need replacing yeah. Not necessarily ETH signings either.
Gotta separate the manager from the signings. There's plenty to criticize of Ten Hag before pointing at things that under a competent club structure, he wouldn't have been responsible for anyway.
It's possible.
We absolutely limped over the line. We picked up 15 points from a possible 24 in the last 8 games and on game week 36 Liverpool had chased us down from being 13 points behind to only 4. We almost shit the bed. I know you like to use last season as evidence that Ten Hag is a great manager so I don't expect you to say anything other than it was amazing.
Yes, with or without Ten Hag massive investment is needed.
No that’s completely wrong. ETH and his squad building has reduced us to having Johnny Evan’s as our savior at CH. No fit LB and half a defence most of the season. 1 striker and if it wasn’t for the emergence of Mainoo a disaster of a midfield. Our squad has more holes this summer than when he started and that’s after spending 400m. It’s an absolute disgrace.
In fairness isn't the point that if building the squad was entrusted to people specifically put in place to do that and with greater expertise to do so than the squad wouldn't be so shit? Ten Hag came here as someone who had done very well (not amazing but very well) at a club with a dislikeable but successful director of football in Marc Overmars.
What is completely wrong? That the manager shouldn't be responsible for the signings, and it's more an indictment on our club structure that our squad is in the state it is in? Yes his signings have been shit. A good structure wouldn't have asked for him to lead the recruitment. That's it. That's why I don't bother giving him much stick for that. He's shit at recruitment, ok, most managers are shit at recruitment, you need a while department to focus on that as their entire job, not a passing thought from the guy who should be coaching us.
Having a downturn in form is not the same limping over the line. We were able to effectively nosedive in form in the final weeks of the season and still walk top 4, and win a cup, whilst reaching an FA Cup final. That objectively proved your statement as bullshit, irrespective of any stance on Ten Hag.
It definitely should be possible, but it's definitely apples and oranges doing it at United and with highly paid players who know they can just wait out a manager. I agree though, it will take shape over the next 3 years and we have an absolute factory line in our academy that should at least produce 3 first teamers!
Agreed.
Power and control that he demanded as one of his conditions for joining. Let's not suggest he's a victim who's had responsibilities heaped upon him that he didn't exepct to have.
I'm not portraying him as a victim but it was completely idiotic to offer it to him on that basis unless they had reason to believe that he secretly had the expertise to do it despite not doing so at Ajax. He was a gamble when we appointed him, much like De Zerbi or Motta would be now, he shouldn't have been such a guarantee that he could throw round demands like that especially to the newly appointed director of football who was the one interviewing him. If Murtough and the other people in place were competent they wouldn't have felt the need to agree to that demand (Ten Hag wasn't going to turn it down and wait for fecking Real Madrid or whoever having been turned down previously by Spurs).
Well it was one of his conditions to join and the 4 previous United managers had far more control over transfers than most managers do so they rightly or wrongly didn't see the harm in giving him that power. But yes I agree we shouldn't have given him so much control, in appointing Murtagh as a sort of DOF we should have been stripping powers away from the managers positon at Manchester United not increasing them. This is as we know a hangover from the Ferguson era where he was all powerful, power he had earned. Since SAF retired the Glazers have been looking for another Fergie to run the whole show for them and keep the team competitive because they don't have a clue. But there's only one Alex Ferguson.
Anyone the new football structure deems appropriate. Might as well take a gamble on someone new instead of continuing with a manager that's never shown any signs of potentially challenging for the title after two full seasons.
Both. Any good manager should raise the overall quality of this team. The talent is there considering we still grind out wins despite our horrible setup.
Primarily the latter with some input from the former.
I know his stock has fallen recently, but I still think De Zerbi would be a better option. Ten Hag has said he can't play at United like he played at Ajax, which to me basically invalidates the logic for which he was hired in the first place (based on the way he had Ajax playing).
You should read Whitwells article to see what ETH was dealing with when he showed up. There is a reason why Murtough was was binned. They were lazy, did feck all to help him.
I'd give Ten Hag a chance with Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox at the helm. If he fails then I'd defo want rid of him.
* Except presenting him with 2 former players he desperately wanted and one Eredivise prospect he was very keen on.
Will he even still be on the market next summer with Bayern & Barca looking for managers. Yeah I can definitely see Erik getting a season under this new structure when you look at Ratcliffe quotes.
I read the article and know all too well about their dithering. However, it also mentioned how he insisted on his targets and then got them. Antony is a bad signing, 80m+ merely makes it looks worse. It's not like he would have solved our RW issue if he was bought for 40m. He would be the same player. The same with Case, Onana, Mount, Amrabat, Malacia etc.
I was assuming he stays with Germany for another year.
ten Hag said in an interview that one of his stipulations prior to joining was control over transfers. I'm sure he'd agree to some rearrangement of that now given he's got feck all leverage but quite possibly he wouldn't have been here if we had turned down his demands re. structure and approach to signings.
This should have more likes, we need more of these. Brilliant.
Weird positions to criticise if you followed our summer, bar midfield.
Yea i said this in a few of the threats, as usual the manutd superfans came and said people like us are embarassment the club to expect more intelligence from the players and coaches.
I don’t think so, the club were totally unprepared in his first window. They said in the Athletic article they crammed a year’s work into 3 months that summer. Explains the decision to pivot from FDJ to Casemiro a bit too because they couldn’t be more different.
