I'm not looking to gloat. To be honest I hate nothing more than United fans being divided as it has been for the last 10 years. But I do firmly believe somebody could get us looking well coached within half a season. Not saying it would be successful instantly, but the signs would be there. I honestly do think there's just been an accumulation of different issues over the years, and most of our managers just weren't up to it for different reasons. They have been hampered by players, Woodward etc but I don't think we're just so unlucky that the 100s of players we've had over 10 years are just simply not coachable. And I think this group is one of our best in the last 10 years because some of the past signings that we've not accumulated are solid, and we've got a good crop of youngsters that have come through and look like they could be top level if handled correctly.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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If we'd lost I think he would have been sacked either tomorrow or when it's mathematically impossible to qualify for the CL.
Now I think he'll get the cup final as his final game as Utd boss.
Now I think he'll get the cup final as his final game as Utd boss.
There's no way actual supporters are that thick. Got to be opposition supporters on the wind up.
It'd be as meaningless as the time Di Matteo won the champions league, or when Avram Grant was a penalty kick away from winning itIf and it’s a big bold if. We beat City then that is 2 trophies in 2 seasons?
Aye, one can hope he’s replaced by someone who’s had an impact like an Ange at spurs or so. With 3-4 really smart signings to complement their style (& a decent injury free season for the likes of Martinez, Shaw, Mount etc). I know…the back room structure probably won’t be in place in time and there’s a lot of “wishfulness” in there….but yeah, seems we’re in dire straits.
At least Dalot, Mainoo, Garnacho & to an extent Hojlund means we have something to build on.
Was just going to post that. He's aging faster than US presidents do.
I do but I'm just playing your tedious accusation game mate.
You clearly don't know what that means. I've addressed your point directly, I just called out your lack of good faith discussion while doing so.
It is true though, Ten Hag has control over targets and veto over signings. No one has been signed that he didn't identify or accept as an alternative. This is his squad for the most part, he's spent £450m ffs.
I'm happy to end the discussion here mate, because ironically I don't believe you are discussing in good faith. If you are fair enough, but I don't feel like continuing.
Good night, no hard feelings.
I disagree. Look at our fixtures for two years under ETH. Except for the games against Liverpool and City, we were the favourites.
Think we've also had a majority of these games at home?
You'd think a club with our money could occasionally get 1 transfer out of 10 working well beyond about 6months. But our record post Fergie has been unbelievable.Aye, one can hope he’s replaced by someone who’s had an impact like an Ange at spurs or so. With 3-4 really smart signings to complement their style (& a decent injury free season for the likes of Martinez, Shaw, Mount etc). I know…the back room structure probably won’t be in place in time and there’s a lot of “wishfulness” in there….but yeah, seems we’re in dire straits.
At least Dalot, Mainoo, Garnacho & to an extent Hojlund means we have something to build on.
It'd be fingers on one hand maximum we could claim as success, and even that would have fierce debate.
Taking off Garnacho and Mainoo while leaving on rashford is becoming pathetic. If everyone can see it but he can’t then you have to wonder.
Usually, I would advocate for the manager who gets the team to a cup final to be given the chance to see it through. In this instance, hope we sack EtH just to make a statement that this performance (and the entire season really) is unacceptable.
He can talk about missing players all he wants but there has been absolute no improvement in the structure and performances of the team over the last months. He keeps on picking the same players, with the same setup and the same deficiencies. He has proved he is not the coach to manage us at this level. Sooner we part, better it us for us and maybe even for him.
He can talk about missing players all he wants but there has been absolute no improvement in the structure and performances of the team over the last months. He keeps on picking the same players, with the same setup and the same deficiencies. He has proved he is not the coach to manage us at this level. Sooner we part, better it us for us and maybe even for him.
I was expecting something slightly weird after “A bit like..” - but fecking hell
He won’t win the final.
Anyone still wants to go into next season with this type of football?
Again, I couldn't actually see what the tactics were today. His substitutions were bizarre, again. We got a result today but many times we haven't. Should a Man Utd team go three up against a Championship side that's eighth in their league and ship three goals, albeit the penalty being a joke? No they shouldn't. Rashford is a disgrace. He wasn't touched when he threw himself to the ground and he landed ok too. Hobbling off is embarrassing for him and the club. EtH will cite the injuries the team have had, which is fair. But he has been responsible for the players purchased that have been sub-standard and his coaching staff. WTF is Steve McClaren doing there? I feel he has to go now.
It was damaging having SAF and Gill leave at the same time (I think they left at the same time?). Then I’ll say it again, the worst thing to happen to the club (ignoring the Glazers) was Woodward. Clueless on how to run a football club and did more damage to this club than any one other individual IMO.
How many people really felt we had the game wrapped up at 3-0? I bet most of us were just waiting to see how we were going to throw it away.
Worst thing to happen to the club is the Glazers. But Woodward is runner up
Bryan Robson got Middlesbrough to 3 cup finals in 2 seasons in the 90s. Cup competitions aren’t a reliable indicator of how good a team or a manager is, which is why everyone looks at the league when judging managers and teams.
His arrogance bothers me as much as his incompetence
Comparable to the Mounrinho heritage quote, probably worse because Jose had a point..
We're making the right noises totally revamping the structure, with what we "think" are best in class appointments, rather than Glazer money men ludicrously out of their element.
Also best to avoid the classic error or throwing in old boy players for key roles. They can have a role to play, but should be more ambassador or coaching lower down the age ranges.
In fairness we did win. This forum would have been an utter no go zone for a week if we'd lost.
The image needed to be vivid with no room for questioning the embarrassment.
Yep, it’s right there in my post you quoted.
Agreed re all that. At least we’re targeting “football experts in football roles” and none of this incompetent people elevated to roles beyond them. Hopefully it pays off - albeit we will probably need to be a bit patient.
Challenge completedHis pressers now sound like a man who's trying to save his career with zero regard to how he sounds to fans of his current club, United. Everything is self serving and self interested at this point.
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"Best team in the World"
No Utd manager should ever be saying that about City.
Down play expectations and talk up the opposition when you know you're going to get battered. I'm sure they'll be a lot of deflection from him on the lead up to the final.
I just don’t see how Alonso would even consider the United job when he’s already turned down the liverpool job. Yes, so far so good from INEOS but it’s uncertain whether the new structure will be successful, there will inevitably be bumps along the way. Liverpool are far more stable from a structure standpoint at the moment and likely would’ve backed Alonso with a huge transfer budget yet he still turned it down. He’ll be patient and doesn’t need to rush his next job, and certainly not to United when Madrid maybe looking to replace Ancelotti in a few years.
Zidane has already stated he has no interest in managing in England and I think that position doesn’t change despite whatever efforts INEOS make.
The United job is very much a poisoned chalice at the moment. It destroys and tears down good managers. The footballing structure may change that perception but I suspect many managers will give second thought to managing United until they see a commitment to keeping the new structure and whether it delivers success in the transfer market.
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He’s stating a fact. What else do you want him to say? He would’ve been shredded if he said United were up there with city when we’re clearly not.
No, because City aren't an 8th placed Championship side. If he wins it then fair play. It will be a nice way to end his reign.
Think more Potter and Southgate. That's more realistic.
He's done here now. We all know it, he knows it. It is a bit cruel extending his stay of execution, hearing him talk crap to the media and defend his team and performance. I do wonder will they publicly announce his departure like Tuchel at Bayern, it might actually help the team get across the line in the cup final.
He simply didn't have to say that line, he's already getting his excuses in.
The Madness song would be quite appropriate at this point
Amorrim manages Sporting, how is he less realistic?
Why have the votes increased for him to stay after that performance
Because he can pick from better options than us.