SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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It's horrific and they always seem to forget that COVID, in of itself is damaging to the heart etc. Brutal illness.
Absolutely. One also needs to look at the death rate before and after vaccines were introduced. It’s night and day.
I am sure that there will have been a group of people adversely affected by vaccines, it was new to the market so always had that risk. Likewise I sure that there are another group who blame the vaccine but most likely had damage caused by Covid or something else.
at the end of the day governments were really damned if they did or damned if they didn’t on this issue
 

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I remember really liking his videos at the start - they were very simple and informative at an hysterical time. Around 6 months after the vaccines he went totally mad - you could always sense he an undertone from him - very anti-EU etc but it was well hidden for a while.
Yeah, he was a good teacher. I think that might have been his day job? He was a nurse who was involved in CPD, I think? His descent into madness was grimly fascinating. I put it down to the classic interplay between online grifters and their followers with more clicks and traction the more extreme their views but good point about him being an anti EU brexiteer beneath it all. That must had added fuel to the fire.
 

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Yeah, he was a good teacher. I think that might have been his day job? He was a nurse who was involved in CPD, I think? His descent into madness was grimly fascinating. I put it down to the classic interplay between online grifters and their followers with more clicks and traction the more extreme their views but good point about him being an anti EU brexiteer beneath it all. That must had added fuel to the fire.
Likely the algorithm trapping people into an ever-descending info spiral of stuff that just triggers confirmation bias.
 

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Absolutely. One also needs to look at the death rate before and after vaccines were introduced. It’s night and day.
I am sure that there will have been a group of people adversely affected by vaccines, it was new to the market so always had that risk. Likewise I sure that there are another group who blame the vaccine but most likely had damage caused by Covid or something else.
at the end of the day governments were really damned if they did or damned if they didn’t on this issue
Yeah, since I got CV19 in Mar 22, the entire year was a write-off, I've never felt anything like it and was at times stuck in bed, convinced I was dying/having a heart attack. A brutal feeling and I still feel shit/can't exercise.
 

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Sorry to hear that. What’s your quack done, or said?
Erm, nothing.

I collapsed with chest pains in a mall about three weeks post-COVID Covid and they took me to a local hospital, ECG's fine, blood pressure high. Then it happened again, and again and again. Just feeling the weirdest feelings, almost like falling, like internal the pressure is dropping and I'm almost slipping away. Very scary.

Booked me in for CT scan, heart x-ray, echocardiogram, adominable scan etc, showed nothing, calcium score zero, did barium swallow as well. Only thing was hypertension/high BP.

Nothing else was given except "long-covid", no blood clots etc. Took 7 months but then started feeling better but in reality I can't exercise as I feel really weird, just fecking odd when I elevate my heart rate. 2023 was much better but I can't really exert myself and my BP is still high.

Sorry for the diatribe :lol:
 

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Plenty of "light" reading here on Cell Press and here on The Lancet but I'm n

Disclaimer: I work for the publisher of these journals but I'm not biased, mainly because it's mostly Double-Dutch to me :smirk:
 

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It still amazes me that people will point at excess mortality rates after a global pandemic of a potentially deadly illness that infected a billion people and think that the killer is the vaccine.
 

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It still amazes me that people will point at excess mortality rates after a global pandemic of a potentially deadly illness that infected a billion people and think that the killer is the vaccine.
Andrew Wakefield has a lot to answer for, his MMR stuff is what brought vaccine craziness to the masses attention
 

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A friend who we hadn't seen for a while as they were back in the UK has had long COVID since the early days of the pandemic. It likely caused him to have a heart attack last year and now he has persistent tiredness, balance problems, tinnitus and various other symptoms. It is easy to forget that the few and rare side effects of vaccines are far less common or severe than from actually getting long covid from an infection.
 

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A friend who we hadn't seen for a while as they were back in the UK has had long COVID since the early days of the pandemic. It likely caused him to have a heart attack last year and now he has persistent tiredness, balance problems, tinnitus and various other symptoms. It is easy to forget that the few and rare side effects of vaccines are far less common or severe than from actually getting long covid from an infection.
Is your friend @Murder on Zidane's Floor ?
 

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A friend who we hadn't seen for a while as they were back in the UK has had long COVID since the early days of the pandemic. It likely caused him to have a heart attack last year and now he has persistent tiredness, balance problems, tinnitus and various other symptoms. It is easy to forget that the few and rare side effects of vaccines are far less common or severe than from actually getting long covid from an infection.
That seems a bit of a stretch?
 

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I’m sure you could find similar links between the covid vaccine and cardiac disorders. I’d still argue that if someone has an MI there’s an excellent chance that was in the post regardless. It takes years and years to build up coronary plaques.
 

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I’m sure you could find similar links between the covid vaccine and cardiac disorders. I’d still argue that if someone has an MI there’s an excellent chance that was in the post regardless. It takes years and years to build up coronary plaques.
But it does seem that it can accelerate things significantly in some cases.
 

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I’m sure you could find similar links between the covid vaccine and cardiac disorders. I’d still argue that if someone has an MI there’s an excellent chance that was in the post regardless. It takes years and years to build up coronary plaques.
Not always, I have a rogue gene (one of the Lama family) that causes plaque buildup. Despite having a quadruple bypass a few years ago I have 2 blocked again.
 

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About three years ago. It's believed there may have been around 80 deaths in the UK associated with it, and maybe 10 times that number of cases of VITT. About 100 million doses of it were used in the UK.
I meant the recent admission. I had a quick look as I remember seeing it mentioned recently:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-blood-clots-b2536898.html

“It is admitted that the AZ vaccine can, in very rare cases, cause TTS. The causal mechanism is not known,” the company said in the court documents in February, The Telegraph reported.
“Further, TTS can also occur in the absence of the AZ vaccine (or any vaccine). Causation in any individual case will be a matter for expert evidence,” it added.

The admission by AstraZeneca runs counter to the company’s insistence in 2023 that it would “not accept that TTS is caused by the vaccine at a generic level”.


The World Health Organization confirmed that Covishield can have life-threatening side effects. “A very rare adverse event called Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome, involving unusual and severe blood clotting events associated with low platelet counts, has been reported after vaccination with this vaccine.”
 

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About three years ago. It's believed there may have been around 80 deaths in the UK associated with it, and maybe 10 times that number of cases of VITT. About 100 million doses of it were used in the UK.
Yep - 80 deaths out of 100 million doses. Which is next to nothing compared to the consequences of not vaccinating.
 

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I'm one of the unfortunate people whose immune system reacted badly to the first AstraZeneca covid vaccine. My red blood cell count went super low and for a period of time I was at high risk of stroke. My body was covered in really big bruises. If it wasn't for my Haematologist's help, I feel my body would have shut down through my blood going wonky. With all the bruises I looked like I'd been run over by a truck. Anyhow, I now suffer with chronic vaccine induced thrombocytopenia purpora (VIITP). There's a lot worse off than me that's for sure so I'm not moaning or anything.
 

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I'm one of the unfortunate people whose immune system reacted badly to the first AstraZeneca covid vaccine. My red blood cell count went super low and for a period of time I was at high risk of stroke. My body was covered in really big bruises. If it wasn't for my Haematologist's help, I feel my body would have shut down through my blood going wonky. With all the bruises I looked like I'd been run over by a truck. Anyhow, I now suffer with chronic vaccine induced thrombocytopenia purpora (VIITP). There's a lot worse off than me that's for sure so I'm not moaning or anything.
I remember you telling us about it way back. I'm really sorry to hear that you're still suffering. It's good that you had a haematoligist who could help you through it. It was a horrible time and it's worth remembering that it's not over for everyone.

I hope you're still getting the help you need.
 

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I remember you telling us about it way back. I'm really sorry to hear that you're still suffering. It's good that you had a haematoligist who could help you through it. It was a horrible time and it's worth remembering that it's not over for everyone.

I hope you're still getting the help you need.
Thanks jojojo, thats kind of you. I'm really impressed you remember my previous post. I wish I wasn't crazy and that I didn't have the chronic VIITP...but I'm not and I do

I found this youtube video fascinating, not least about the vaccines efficacy but also about the excess deaths issue. It was all news to me and has left quite an impact.

 

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That’s what the crazies say. But no. A tiny number vs lives saved, far better than most vaccines harm rate.
Right but the issue is more to do with them now admitting whereas previously they denied it.

It's one of those things where you want other people to know if you know rather than denying it and then admitting it later in a court doc
 

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Right but the issue is more to do with them now admitting whereas previously they denied it.

It's one of those things where you want other people to know if you know rather than denying it and then admitting it later in a court doc
I don’t think so. I think it’s data that is aligned with the existing data. Not seen anything to suggest otherwise.
 

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I'm one of the unfortunate people whose immune system reacted badly to the first AstraZeneca covid vaccine. My red blood cell count went super low and for a period of time I was at high risk of stroke. My body was covered in really big bruises. If it wasn't for my Haematologist's help, I feel my body would have shut down through my blood going wonky. With all the bruises I looked like I'd been run over by a truck. Anyhow, I now suffer with chronic vaccine induced thrombocytopenia purpora (VIITP). There's a lot worse off than me that's for sure so I'm not moaning or anything.
Sorry to hear that and thanks for taking one for the team. No help to you of course but I believe the risk of thrombosis from COVID infection is far higher (not to mention the other health outcomes). And is it getting better? I guess a complication is that this is so rare because it took such an unprecedented vaccination program to be able to identify and study it, so there is only "normal" thrombosis to rely on for history/treatment, and I don't think they know why it is even rarer with the mRNA vaccines.
 
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