SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Red in STL]

It still amazes me that people will point at excess mortality rates after a global pandemic of a potentially deadly illness that infected a billion people and think that the killer is the vaccine.

Andrew Wakefield has a lot to answer for, his MMR stuff is what brought vaccine craziness to the masses attention

 

[Wibble]

German man has had 217 covid vaccine shots - 8 different vaccines.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ed-man-217-covid-jabs-no-side-effects-germany

 

[Wibble]

A friend who we hadn't seen for a while as they were back in the UK has had long COVID since the early days of the pandemic. It likely caused him to have a heart attack last year and now he has persistent tiredness, balance problems, tinnitus and various other symptoms. It is easy to forget that the few and rare side effects of vaccines are far less common or severe than from actually getting long covid from an infection.

 

[MDFC Manager]

A friend who we hadn't seen for a while as they were back in the UK has had long COVID since the early days of the pandemic. It likely caused him to have a heart attack last year and now he has persistent tiredness, balance problems, tinnitus and various other symptoms. It is easy to forget that the few and rare side effects of vaccines are far less common or severe than from actually getting long covid from an infection.

Is your friend @Murder on Zidane's Floor ?

 

[Wibble]

Is your friend @Murder on Zidane's Floor ?

That seems unlikely unless he has moved to Australia.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

That seems unlikely unless he has moved to Australia.

Unfortunately not. But COVID did/has fecked me physically

 

[Wibble]

Unfortunately not. But COVID did/has fecked me physically

Damn. Not good. Hope you are recovering even if only slowly.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Damn. Not good. Hope you are recovering even if only slowly.

Been two years, it's almost like it created a giant health anxiety and chest pains, fatigue, weird feeling etc.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

A friend who we hadn't seen for a while as they were back in the UK has had long COVID since the early days of the pandemic. It likely caused him to have a heart attack last year and now he has persistent tiredness, balance problems, tinnitus and various other symptoms. It is easy to forget that the few and rare side effects of vaccines are far less common or severe than from actually getting long covid from an infection.

That seems a bit of a stretch?

 

[Wibble]

That seems a bit of a stretch?

His doctors seem to think it is likely, as does his wife who is a medical doctor. Hard to be 100% certain of causation of course.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih...s suggest that SARS,to heart attack or stroke
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/heart-problems-after-covid

 

[Mike Smalling]

German man has had 217 covid vaccine shots - 8 different vaccines.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ed-man-217-covid-jabs-no-side-effects-germany

This guy must be both extremely magnetic and autistic by now.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

His doctors seem to think it is likely, as does his wife who is a medical doctor. Hard to be 100% certain of causation of course.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/how-sars-cov-2-contributes-heart-attacks-strokes#:~:text=The findings suggest that SARS,to heart attack or stroke
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/heart-problems-after-covid

I’m sure you could find similar links between the covid vaccine and cardiac disorders. I’d still argue that if someone has an MI there’s an excellent chance that was in the post regardless. It takes years and years to build up coronary plaques.

 

[Wibble]

I’m sure you could find similar links between the covid vaccine and cardiac disorders. I’d still argue that if someone has an MI there’s an excellent chance that was in the post regardless. It takes years and years to build up coronary plaques.

But it does seem that it can accelerate things significantly in some cases.

 

[golden_blunder]

I’m sure you could find similar links between the covid vaccine and cardiac disorders. I’d still argue that if someone has an MI there’s an excellent chance that was in the post regardless. It takes years and years to build up coronary plaques.

Not always, I have a rogue gene (one of the Lama family) that causes plaque buildup. Despite having a quadruple bypass a few years ago I have 2 blocked again.

 

[jojojo]

This guy must be both extremely magnetic and autistic by now.

His 5G reception is great though.

 

[Wibble]

How times change

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ne-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines

 

[Sylar]

How times change

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ne-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines

They admitted it can cause rare blood clots right?

 

[jojojo]

They admitted it can cause rare blood clots right?

About three years ago. It's believed there may have been around 80 deaths in the UK associated with it, and maybe 10 times that number of cases of VITT. About 100 million doses of it were used in the UK.

 

[Sylar]

About three years ago. It's believed there may have been around 80 deaths in the UK associated with it, and maybe 10 times that number of cases of VITT. About 100 million doses of it were used in the UK.

I meant the recent admission. I had a quick look as I remember seeing it mentioned recently:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-blood-clots-b2536898.html

“It is admitted that the AZ vaccine can, in very rare cases, cause TTS. The causal mechanism is not known,” the company said in the court documents in February, The Telegraph reported.
“Further, TTS can also occur in the absence of the AZ vaccine (or any vaccine). Causation in any individual case will be a matter for expert evidence,” it added.

The admission by AstraZeneca runs counter to the company’s insistence in 2023 that it would “not accept that TTS is caused by the vaccine at a generic level”.


The World Health Organization confirmed that Covishield can have life-threatening side effects. “A very rare adverse event called Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome, involving unusual and severe blood clotting events associated with low platelet counts, has been reported after vaccination with this vaccine.”

 

[Wibble]

About three years ago. It's believed there may have been around 80 deaths in the UK associated with it, and maybe 10 times that number of cases of VITT. About 100 million doses of it were used in the UK.

Yep - 80 deaths out of 100 million doses. Which is next to nothing compared to the consequences of not vaccinating.

 

[Red Panda]

I'm one of the unfortunate people whose immune system reacted badly to the first AstraZeneca covid vaccine. My red blood cell count went super low and for a period of time I was at high risk of stroke. My body was covered in really big bruises. If it wasn't for my Haematologist's help, I feel my body would have shut down through my blood going wonky. With all the bruises I looked like I'd been run over by a truck. Anyhow, I now suffer with chronic vaccine induced thrombocytopenia purpora (VIITP). There's a lot worse off than me that's for sure so I'm not moaning or anything.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

They admitted it can cause rare blood clots right?

That’s what the crazies say. But no. A tiny number vs lives saved, far better than most vaccines harm rate.

 

[jojojo]

I'm one of the unfortunate people whose immune system reacted badly to the first AstraZeneca covid vaccine. My red blood cell count went super low and for a period of time I was at high risk of stroke. My body was covered in really big bruises. If it wasn't for my Haematologist's help, I feel my body would have shut down through my blood going wonky. With all the bruises I looked like I'd been run over by a truck. Anyhow, I now suffer with chronic vaccine induced thrombocytopenia purpora (VIITP). There's a lot worse off than me that's for sure so I'm not moaning or anything.

I remember you telling us about it way back. I'm really sorry to hear that you're still suffering. It's good that you had a haematoligist who could help you through it. It was a horrible time and it's worth remembering that it's not over for everyone.

I hope you're still getting the help you need.

 

[Red Panda]

I remember you telling us about it way back. I'm really sorry to hear that you're still suffering. It's good that you had a haematoligist who could help you through it. It was a horrible time and it's worth remembering that it's not over for everyone.

I hope you're still getting the help you need.

Thanks jojojo, thats kind of you. I'm really impressed you remember my previous post. I wish I wasn't crazy and that I didn't have the chronic VIITP...but I'm not and I do

I found this youtube video fascinating, not least about the vaccines efficacy but also about the excess deaths issue. It was all news to me and has left quite an impact.

 

[Sylar]

That’s what the crazies say. But no. A tiny number vs lives saved, far better than most vaccines harm rate.

Right but the issue is more to do with them now admitting whereas previously they denied it.

It's one of those things where you want other people to know if you know rather than denying it and then admitting it later in a court doc

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Right but the issue is more to do with them now admitting whereas previously they denied it.

It's one of those things where you want other people to know if you know rather than denying it and then admitting it later in a court doc

I don’t think so. I think it’s data that is aligned with the existing data. Not seen anything to suggest otherwise.

 

[Wibble]

I'm one of the unfortunate people whose immune system reacted badly to the first AstraZeneca covid vaccine. My red blood cell count went super low and for a period of time I was at high risk of stroke. My body was covered in really big bruises. If it wasn't for my Haematologist's help, I feel my body would have shut down through my blood going wonky. With all the bruises I looked like I'd been run over by a truck. Anyhow, I now suffer with chronic vaccine induced thrombocytopenia purpora (VIITP). There's a lot worse off than me that's for sure so I'm not moaning or anything.

Sorry to hear that and thanks for taking one for the team. No help to you of course but I believe the risk of thrombosis from COVID infection is far higher (not to mention the other health outcomes). And is it getting better? I guess a complication is that this is so rare because it took such an unprecedented vaccination program to be able to identify and study it, so there is only "normal" thrombosis to rely on for history/treatment, and I don't think they know why it is even rarer with the mRNA vaccines.

 

[Red Panda]

Sorry to hear that and thanks for taking one for the team. No help to you of course but I believe the risk of thrombosis from COVID infection is far higher (not to mention the other health outcomes). And is it getting better? I guess a complication is that this is so rare because it took such an unprecedented vaccination program to be able to identify and study it, so there is only "normal" thrombosis to rely on for history/treatment, and I don't think they know why it is even rarer with the mRNA vaccines.

Hi Wibble. Thanks for your kind words. It is a lot better and I'm very thankful for that. I was put on some strong drugs. One was called Eltrombopag and although the side effects were a bit iffy, it worked and brought my red blood cell count up to just under normal levels. I haven't developed any plaque though, which good.

As I say, there's a lot worse off than me not least the poor folks whose loved ones died from covid or the vaccine complications.

In that YouTube video above the GP and the MP seem to suggest the AstraZeneca vaccines efficacy was over stated and there's a possible link to the excess death issue. I have an idea this story will go on for quite some time.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

Just wondering whether there was any known issue with low platelet counts as a side effect of AZ?

 

[Red Panda]

Just wondering whether there was any known issue with low platelet counts as a side effect of AZ?

That's what happened to me, its called Thrombocytopenia, specificallyfor me Vaccine Induced Immuno Thrombocytopenia Purpora. My immune system didn't like the first AstraZeneca vaccine and my body went on a path of not producing anywhere near enough blood platelets. It showed itself by giving me huge multi coloured bruises. I'm very fortunate that the situation was caught in time and that my really low platelet count started to go back up. I was having three blood tests a week for around two months. The problem means that for some poor folk they suffered bleeding in the brain and then died. I think there was also some kind of clotting issue in the brain as well but can't remember what it is.The risk of stroke is heightened for people such as me and I'm told the Thrombocytopenia is chronic.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

That's what happened to me, its called Thrombocytopenia, specificallyfor me Vaccine Induced Immuno Thrombocytopenia Purpora. My immune system didn't like the first AstraZeneca vaccine and my body went on a path of not producing anywhere near enough blood platelets. It showed itself by giving me huge multi coloured bruises. I'm very fortunate that the situation was caught in time and that my really low platelet count started to go back up. I was having three blood tests a week for around two months. The problem means that for some poor folk they suffered bleeding in the brain and then died. I think there was also some kind of clotting issue in the brain as well but can't remember what it is.The risk of stroke is heightened for people such as me and I'm told the Thrombocytopenia is chronic.

Thanks for the reply, My sister in law appears to have this also.