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Ronaldo's ego said:
Usyk’s sheer skill will close the gap on the size disparity and he’ll give as good as he gets, not sure if he’s got that extra zip to really hurt Fury though. I’m going for a draw.
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That's a good observation most of the soviet style boxers use that pendulum movement which gives them an advantage with distance, I think a draw could be a real possibility if neither fighter does enough to cause a distinction in quality between themselves.

If Fury keeps Usyk on his backfoot he could have success while roughing him up on the inside. Too many end up memorized fighting Usyk's own fight rather than making it ugly.

Looking at Salido vs Lomachenko as a prime example, Salido had a blatant disregard for Loma and roughed him up he couldn't get the distance, timing or rhythm going. Infighting however is fast becoming a lost practice nowadays most hold or the referee doesn't stand for it.

It's not a blueprint as Loma / Usyk are fundamentally different but I think both are methodically aggressive and neither want to get into a scrap.
 

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I think fury will focus on body shots and I think it’ll work.
Stoppage in one of the latter rounds is my guess.
 

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Redstain said:
That's a good observation most of the soviet style boxers use that pendulum movement which gives them an advantage with distance, I think a draw could be a real possibility if neither fighter does enough to cause a distinction in quality between themselves.

If Fury keeps Usyk on his backfoot he could have success while roughing him up on the inside. Too many end up memorized fighting Usyk's own fight rather than making it ugly.

Looking at Salido vs Lomachenko as a prime example, Salido had a blatant disregard for Loma and roughed him up he couldn't get the distance, timing or rhythm going. Infighting however is fast becoming a lost practice nowadays most hold or the referee doesn't stand for it.

It's not a blueprint as Loma / Usyk are fundamentally different but I think both are methodically aggressive and neither want to get into a scrap.
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Had a free £4 bet so went for a draw at 11/1.
 

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Ronaldo's ego said:
Usyk’s sheer skill will close the gap on the size disparity and he’ll give as good as he gets, not sure if he’s got that extra zip to really hurt Fury though. I’m going for a draw.
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Usyk does not like work to the body from Heavyweights as Dubois showed; that movement and perpetual motion can be drained from him as the aforementioned displayed, so sheer skill in and of itself hasn’t aided him against the sheer size and power of natural heavies. If Fury digs to the body excessively, the size disparity will become a massive factor the longer the fight goes on.
 

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If if if. I have to back Usyk just based on his punch output, angles of attack, movement. He's the better boxer.
 

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Posh Red said:
Could just be based on betting patterns, more than anything.
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A lot of money coming in from Brits for Fury, yeah wouldn't surprise me. The odds are being pushed further in Fury's favour too, so money has definitely come in on him. Usyk by decision at almost 3/1 now feels like amazing value.
 

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He missing really good and or solid fighters from his resume. Fighters like - Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz. For the supposed number 1, yes I think his resume is pathetic. Who are the really good fighters that he's beat? As I said, one great one, one with a ATG punch and that's about all I've got.
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The names you’ve mentioned qualifies my point of it being a pretty shallow division.

I’m perplexed that those names would be the difference between an acceptable or pathetic resume.

He’s literally trained with Joe Parker for years so that was never going to happen and it still irks me that Andy Ruiz is given any credence; a complete inactive waster who is considered credible by AJ fans cos he fell apart against him. His only other claim to fame is dropping a decision to Parker. What’s he even doing now?

If you do t like him then fair enough, but as long as he fights Joshua at some point, I don’t see how anyone can have too many complaints.
 

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DannyCAFC said:
Why?
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He's fighting one of the pound for pound best in the world, he's shown vulnerabilities against three fighters (Wallin, Wilder and Ngannou) who have all since been embarrassed by other Top 5 fighters in the division. Whether he wins or not, I don't see what justification there is for him to be walking into this as a favourite, other than people again over-estimating the size and reach advantage of Usyk opponents.
 

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I only really watch the big fights and I definitely fancy this one. I really can’t be arsed staying up past midnight for it though.
 

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Chamberlain looking brilliant again. His awkward style is very effective.

He was brilliant against Gavin Gwynn too.

Wahab looked poor though.
 

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G-manc said:
The names you’ve mentioned qualifies my point of it being a pretty shallow division.

I’m perplexed that those names would be the difference between an acceptable or pathetic resume.

He’s literally trained with Joe Parker for years so that was never going to happen and it still irks me that Andy Ruiz is given any credence; a complete inactive waster who is considered credible by AJ fans cos he fell apart against him. His only other claim to fame is dropping a decision to Parker. What’s he even doing now?

If you do t like him then fair enough, but as long as he fights Joshua at some point, I don’t see how anyone can have too many complaints.
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Those names I mentioned are really good fighters. That's what he is missing. It's a big hole. There are not many great Heavies in this, or most eras. However, there are lots of good ones, and he's managed to avoid fighting them throughout his career. Him hand picking derrick chorisa for the 3rd time! Sort of sums up his career up to this point

If he beats usyk and AJ, I suspect everything he hasn't done will be forgotten and he'll be remembered for those wins. Which would be fair enough, Tonight could put him on the path to greatness.

Final prediction is a controversial Fury win via SD.
 

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Itauma looks brilliant. For a 19 year old, his ceiling is really high. Still has to work on patience though as he can be, understandably, quite rash. Exciting prospect though.
 

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Sassy Colin said:
Looks like things should start happening around 11 then? Like UK time, right?
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For a big boxing PPV they pretty much always take the piss.

If they reckon they can get a few hundred more buys by fecking around for an extra hour, that's what they're going to do.
 

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Cacace lucky with the shot after the break but he smelt it and went for the win, few great shots but the bell saved Cordina.

Cacace needs to finish it here.
 
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