Kovalev is still fighting!? Oh dear 
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I wouldn't try either!
Just saw the weigh in, Fury does look quite rattled tbh.
What will be interesting is to see what happens when Usyk catches him. Usyk’s not got bone-crunching power but he’s as accurate as a heavyweight can be. I don’t think Fury’s chin is his strong point, certainly not as strong as it’s been made out after he got up from Wilder.
Flip side, if Fury starts digging to the body as Dubois did, will Usyk crumple into a heap?
Flip side, if Fury starts digging to the body as Dubois did, will Usyk crumple into a heap?
I don't think he'll beat AJ, he's declined quite a bit since his battles with Wilder. I think he'll be too big for Usyk. I wonder how Usyk is going to counter the reach and weight disadvantages he's going to have, it'll be one hell of an achievement if he manages it.
I think he's declined too and that age has caught up with him compared to 4yrs ago, but he's in the best shape I've seen and he looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders, which means he's fully zoned in for this fight.
Would have been pretty certain on Fury those years back, but now it's harder to call; Fury hasn't fought an extremely high volume puncher and mover of this calibre, so it'll also be interesting to see how he deals with that as he's normally a bob, weave and step back from trouble, and that in and if itself won't be enough to keep Usyk off him.
I don't think it'll be easy for him to tie up and lean on Usyk either, so he'll have to do a lot more actual work in the pocket.
Would have been pretty certain on Fury those years back, but now it's harder to call; Fury hasn't fought an extremely high volume puncher and mover of this calibre, so it'll also be interesting to see how he deals with that as he's normally a bob, weave and step back from trouble, and that in and if itself won't be enough to keep Usyk off him.
I don't think it'll be easy for him to tie up and lean on Usyk either, so he'll have to do a lot more actual work in the pocket.
I love that this is Fury in 'great' shape...
I think this too. He'll beat Usyk via ridiculous scorecards and then get blown away by rejuvenated AJ. And we'll end up with a triangle of them defeating each other, and there endeth the worst era of heavyweight boxing.
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Usyk's a bit of a maniac isn't he? Imagine being told by your opponent at the final head to head "Do not be afraid, I will never leave you alone in the ring" 
Bit hard to move when some big lump is grabbing then leaning on you, as Fury does every fight and the refs don't stop him. Would love to see Usyk win simply to get Fury and his dad out of the lime light.
Ha! Imagine the opposite of that and you would get closer to the truth.
Fury's resume is pathetic for the so called best. He's beat one great fighter in klitschko and one great puncher in Wilder. And that's about it? If he gets a clean win over Usyk then he deserves huge credit for that. And that will cement his place as the current 1.
He can gloat for sure. But he would still be a million miles away from being the goat.
Not a bad shout this. I hope the fight is scored fairly but I have doubts about that.
If fury was 6'2 instead of 6'7 he would have no chance. But his size and fight IQ make this very hard to call, for me. Fury needs to go to the body, a lot. If Usyk has a weakness it's that.
100% lunatic, that’s what’s so great about himUsyk's a bit of a maniac isn't he? Imagine being told by your opponent at the final head to head "Do not be afraid, I will never leave you alone in the ring"
I love that boxing is so obviously crooked that it's natural to talk about 'clean wins' like it's pro wrestling, and some kind of heel shenanigans are just as likely.
Fair, however sometimes against a tricky customer you spend more energy trying to catch and grab them than they spend evading.
Shawn Porter describes it as whether the mouse tires from running from the cat or whether the cat tires from running after the mouse
Why would the cards favour Fury in this fight though? Usyk is as big a reputation as anyone. It's not like Fury is the champ and Usyk is the plucky challenger, neither is it a UK fight. Usyk is actually coming into this with more belts - the only reason I can think of for the judges to favour Fury would be to setup Fury vs AJ, but it seems that's on the cards either way.
In fact, I daresay it's less likely to happen if Fury wins here. He'll give us all a ducking masterclass
Looking forward to this more than any fight for over a decade.
The main reason is I can't call it at all. Anything could happen.
Fury could box well and use his size to tire him out. Or he's not heavy enough and will get knocked out.
Would be funny and not impossible after all this undisputed talk it's a draw.
The main reason is I can't call it at all. Anything could happen.
Fury could box well and use his size to tire him out. Or he's not heavy enough and will get knocked out.
Would be funny and not impossible after all this undisputed talk it's a draw.
As I said earlier, if he faces Joshua after Usyk, he’s faced what most people would consider the elite fighters of his generation.
It’s been a poor division for a decade or more, im not sure who you think his record is short of to stop it being “pathetic”.
He missing really good and or solid fighters from his resume. Fighters like - Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz. For the supposed number 1, yes I think his resume is pathetic. Who are the really good fighters that he's beat? As I said, one great one, one with a ATG punch and that's about all I've got.
I think Fury will win this pretty easily due to his size. He's naturally evasive and a proper heavyweight. That's not great for Usyk who relies on his boxing skills, but hasn't got the power to trouble Fury as long as he's still got the timing to step back from punches.
The money is in Fury winning then fighting AJ. That’s the most cash-generating scenario, and the most cash-generating scenario always seems to have a favourable effect on scorecards
Edit - as you’ve acknowledged (really should have read the post a little better)
Joshua and Usyk - if he fights them, no one will have an issue.
But even before then, the likes of Zhang, Parker would have been respectable names on his CV. There have been higher ranked fighters than the one's he's handpicked. Whyte was a good one though and kudos to him for exposing Wilder - no complaints there.
Nobody gave a shit about Ruiz either until he beat AJ, which should have never happened. Not fighting people like this doesn't define Fury in my opinion.
On the other hand, absolutely everyone wanted AJ vs Wilder and they never made that happen, whilst Fury fought him three times.
If AJ gets beat by a plodder = "Fury never fought him"
If Fury fights a dangerous fighter and dispatches him easily = "he's shit anyway".
He simply can't win.
Anyone else a bit put off buying this just because of the pacing issues all these Saudi cards have? Really can't be arsed to pay £25 and still be sitting here at 2am waiting for the ring walks which I feel is exactly what's going to happen (again).
Hopefully, the fight starts at 12am. If so, I might make it. I fell asleep waiting for the last joshua fight. And it's really hard to avoid spoilers.
Fury has big reach advantage, no?
It was the choice to fight Chisora yet again when there were so many better fighters he hadn’t faced that did his ‘CV credibility’ argument a lot of harm
People were so perplexed by that fight I honestly think it’d have been better if he’d fought nobody in that time and just been inactive. His reputation took a shot by taking that fight
I have to get up at 4 in the morning so I might sleep this afternoon and set the alarm for 10pm.
Yeah the Chisora fight pretty much settled that he's a ducker
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Usyk’s sheer skill will close the gap on the size disparity and he’ll give as good as he gets, not sure if he’s got that extra zip to really hurt Fury though. I’m going for a draw.
I think Fury is genuinely worried about Usyk.
The fact Fury is a betting favourite for this fight is insane to me
What platform is everyone watching this on? First time I can remember it being on so many. I found Dazn dreadful but that was about a year ago.
Yeah he definitely isn't his usual self. Definitely his toughest fight since Klitschko.