I´m not caught up in echo chambers. I´ve been around Republicans most my life. I, like you, have witnessed their reaction to Obama, it is no secret. Obviously I know "these people exist." It´s just weird to me, that how a homosexual could be a Republican when they know perfectly well these people in general do not like them and actively try and discriminate against them. Don´t you find that odd? Almost self loathing. I don´t get it. I don´t hang out with, nor admire, nor vote for people who disapprove of my essence. That seems pretty normal. I think their "mentality" is the issue here.
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most republicans are highly disinformed. simple as that.
But I think a homosexual who is a Republican goes beyond simple "disinformed."
People vote against specific personal interests all the time in the pursuit of other goals. I'm not American, but I'm about to vote against my own economic interests where I am a few weeks. This literally happens all over the world. I don't want to speak for him, but he doesn't see himself as gay first and foremost - he sees himself as a small businessman first and foremost. What's so unbelievable about that?
Ok, he´s a businessman above being a homosexual and being a minority. I personally find that weird and a bit degrading, but to each his own. That´s part of what I was saying about Republicans - money over soul. That´s nothing new. In fact, I find that normal for a Republican.
I wonder if he found Dubya´s America good for business.
I wonder if he found Dubya´s America good for business.
I've met Republicans who are nice people, as will have anyone who's been to America. But their party supports positions that are abhorrent, medieval and anti-enlightenment. It's significantly more than just a 'different point of view'.
I agree with all this. I wouldn't vote Republican if I were American.
But we do ourselves a disservice if we Other the other guy in our mind. If nothing else at all - as I've said - it leads us to complacency. We see it right here in this thread. People thinking real Republicans support that ginormous asshole Trump (obviously some do, but as a matter of fact more actively oppose him, his favourability ratings are negative) because Krugman and Rich tell us he's emblematic of Republicans, and of course they're right because in our minds Republicans are terrible people! And this means therefore that 2016 will be a cakewalk for our man (woman), right? That's wrong, unfortunately.
In any event, we take our political parties as we find them. No doubt there were plenty of things you found objectionable in Labour's platform this year TH - possibly an immigration policy that genuinely was Tory-lite, possibly support for Trident (projecting a bit, sorry if I misread you)? But you support them because you generally find the other guy worse. For at least a substantial portion of the Republican Party, that's all there is to it as well, I suspect.
Fair points well argued, can't disagree with any of that. And you nailed your profile of me. 
That is just so ridiculous. Just because Krugman and Rich say so? Where do you come up with this crap??? Citing an article on Rich´s view does not mean he leading anyone by the nose. He happens to say something I agree with in that Republicans are liking what Trump is saying without the filter cause it appeals to them, but they won´t vote for such a kook in the long run. Pretty much what everyone is saying.
Ha ha, and now Megan Kelly has taken an unscheduled two week leave. The clown show gets more interesting daily.
Get in!And you nailed your profile of me.
Nobby, if something I've said has personally offended you I can only apologize.
I'm going to leave it at that because I can see this isn't going anywhere.
I´m not offended at all, it´s just you come saying stuff like . . . People thinking real Republicans support that ginormous asshole Trump (obviously some do, but as a matter of fact more actively oppose him, his favourability ratings are negative) because Krugman and Rich tell us he's emblematic of Republicans . . .
I, or we, do think for ourselves, have an intimate American experiences, and do listen to or read what people say, and form opinions. Nothing special really. I don´t think Trump and his Republican rhetoric is a cock because Krugman tell us so. Trump and republicans do a fine job by themselves.
But yeah, it isn´t going anywhere.
I, or we, do think for ourselves, have an intimate American experiences, and do listen to or read what people say, and form opinions. Nothing special really. I don´t think Trump and his Republican rhetoric is a cock because Krugman tell us so. Trump and republicans do a fine job by themselves.
But yeah, it isn´t going anywhere.
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I hope Trump wins the election, dead serious.
no you don'tbased on the tastless and tacky press that would surround his wife being first lady Im starting to warm to the idea
Principally I'm behind Bernie Sanders, but considering he has no chance I'm backing Trump. His presidency will be the crash and burn the US political system needs for a radical reboot.
I much rather prefer him to swarmy Hillary.
Why would the US political system crash and burn?
I'm starting to warm to the idea, it's the kind of stuff to tell the grandkids about.
Just watched his press conference. He's going to get a bump in the coming weeks and I now think he'll be the Republican nominee.
Shes a horrible bitch I have no time for her either.
GOP is in self destruct mode, he may be the final straw.
this email problem may actually bring down Hillary..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abrah...gate-round_b_7989500.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abrah...gate-round_b_7989500.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
tl dr...whats the gist?
Watching his speech now. He's doing even better.
Is it the most luxurious gold plated speech ever?
It is indeed. They'll lap this up.
For now Hillary is still sticking to the absurd story that she was unaware that there was any classified data on her server; that the tens of thousands of emails she sent and received during her tenure as Secretary of State were all unclassified; and now that she was unaware that she was reading Top Secret/SCI data, which clearly came from intelligence sources, was not classified at the time. It was highly classified -- with or without the markings -- and she knew it. After decades in government with access to such data this excuse is truly laughable.
Now the intelligence community isn't laughing and an increasing number of the press, other than Fox News, are starting to see that the problem is quite a bit more serious than the Clinton campaign would have you believe. Whether or not the Justice Department will finally do an honest job where a Clinton is involved remains to be seen.
This is just the last paragraph. It is very serious.
Biden being touted may have something to do with this.
As an immigrant with conservative economic views, I really hate voting Republican. FWIW, I thought Mittens was better than Obama and Jeb/Cruz are both better than Clinton.
Hot damn, this is refreshing to hear. A leading Republican presidential candidate having a vicious go at Dick Cheney. The Donald hammer.
Trump is really shaking up teh Republican party.
Now the Trump hammer is coming down on that pathetic lackey, Jebby Bush. That should tell you the state of that party when a reality show douchebag is the one with the cojones to tell them some hard truths, and he leads their polls as well. I wonder if he´ll go there and ask Jeb how he can the run this country and its drug war if his own daughter is a crack head. He´s already gone after his Mexican immigrant wife. I wouldn´t put it past the Donald.
"Jeb Bush is a puppet to his donors, there is no question about it. He’s got lobbyists – I know them – he’s got lobbyists, and you know, he’s made statements over the past couple of days that are incredible, trying to justify the war in Iraq – can’t be justified – and then he said skin in the game. I don’t know if you saw his recent statement, he said the United States has to prove to Iraq that we have skin in the game. We spent $2 trillion thousands so lives lost, wounded warriors who I love all over the place, and he said we have to prove we have skin in the game. I think it may be one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever heard. Skin in the game. We don’t have to prove anything…it was one of the dumbest things that ever, and I think what happened…is that his brother probably said ‘hey you’re killing me,’ that was his war, and he looks very bad. So this is how Jeb Bush tried to push back, but when he said we have to prove to Iraq that we have skin in the game and we lost those lives and all that money, I think he should apologize to families of the people."
"Jeb Bush is a puppet to his donors, there is no question about it. He’s got lobbyists – I know them – he’s got lobbyists, and you know, he’s made statements over the past couple of days that are incredible, trying to justify the war in Iraq – can’t be justified – and then he said skin in the game. I don’t know if you saw his recent statement, he said the United States has to prove to Iraq that we have skin in the game. We spent $2 trillion thousands so lives lost, wounded warriors who I love all over the place, and he said we have to prove we have skin in the game. I think it may be one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever heard. Skin in the game. We don’t have to prove anything…it was one of the dumbest things that ever, and I think what happened…is that his brother probably said ‘hey you’re killing me,’ that was his war, and he looks very bad. So this is how Jeb Bush tried to push back, but when he said we have to prove to Iraq that we have skin in the game and we lost those lives and all that money, I think he should apologize to families of the people."
It would be a fair question to ask. How can he oversee possibly the largest mass incarceration in history while his daughter is breaking the same crimes as the others?
Elizabeth Warren vs. Donald Trump would be a fun election.
Funny Trump´s whole, he´s from the "other side" schtick, in that he´s been on the other side of dealing with these politicians and knows how it works and how they can be basically bribed and corrupted by his ilk.
And now he wants us to hand over the reins to him and his people? Urm, no thanks. Thanks for the input and all, and exposing these political realities, but it can only end badly when you let the foxes take care of the hen house.
And now he wants us to hand over the reins to him and his people? Urm, no thanks. Thanks for the input and all, and exposing these political realities, but it can only end badly when you let the foxes take care of the hen house.
bloody hell...I may just vote for the hairdo....with Hillary blabbing all those lies about her emails...
She really is messing things up all by herself. Kind of hoping Biden does jump in at this point.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-grows-lead-in-nc-gop-leads-most-match-ups.html
Finally a candidate I can get behind...
Finally a candidate I can get behind...
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