Conor
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Give him the chair.
Someone was asking earlier why the US is the way it is. This, this right here is why.To be fair .. if I'm living in America. I would want a gun... And probably become addicted and hoard lots of guns
I do fantasies about owning a gun when i was little, loading reloading the magazine, i know it's dangerous and all that and rather live in a country with no guns. Sanity and all that
But deep inside.. yeah.. i think I'll own one even if it's only for novelty and not for being brandished out in public. At least i have the law to lean to.
And if it comes to the point where everyone has guns and most thugs have guns... I'd say feck it and own one myself.
Correction. I dont Fantasize violence. I romantices guns, in a fantasy where nobody gets hurts. People love action movie doesnt mean they love shooting people.Someone was asking earlier why the US is the way it is. This, this right here is why.
You don’t even live here, but you still fantasize about violence and possessing the means to enact it.
I’m not judging you @Sky1981 , I believe if any other country had our laws they would be like us. Humans are hard wired for violence.
I respectfully disagree. By purchasing a gun, or ammunition, you are incentivizing the continued proliferation of tools whose so purpose is death and injury.Correction. I dont Fantasize violence. I romantices guns, in a fantasy where nobody gets hurts. People love action movie doesnt mean they love shooting people.
You'll never get it right untill you stop lumping everyone who owns guns as violence loving. There are myriad of reasons why one owns gun.
To make them accept changes, you have to humanise them, listen to their reasoning, come up with logical counter, instead of shouting "gun idiots" at every corner. This is what droves the republicans determination, because they're always shoved with insulting rhetorics.
For example. People like me would have no problem with strict as hell gun regulations, even a at home only gun might be fine by me. Just as people who believes home invasions are real would probably be fine too.
You might need other approach for hard line right wing nutters, but sure is shouting at these kinds would not work and would only be met with ignorance
Almost nobody needs a gun of any sort. Law enforcement (under some circumstances), military, licenced non-recreational hunter (long rifle or shotgun only) for the removal of feral pests primarily but not sure what other purposes. If we do have to have them for sport all guns need to be hugely licenced and controlled which includes a gin never leaving a registered shooting range. People may like them but it is just a hobby and not worth the harm.Honestly, no. I know my post was hyperbolic, but there are few positions I hold as radically as my anti-gun (especially handgun) stance. The change has to start somewhere, and until we as a society realize it needs to start with us we will be forever amidst a growing wave of death and horror. The selfish need to feel safe, at the expense of the actual safety of others, is so profoundly American it should be our new motto, and the AR-15 our new symbol.
He’s too young to be tried as an adult, but will be taken from his family and put into CPS. There are kids as young as 12 in adult prisons but this 6 year old threw them all for a loop.So what happens to the kid then, out of interest?
The reasonable approach has been tried multiple times, the ironic thing is that most people aren't after taking guns way, they just want proper controls on how you purchase them anmd to stop the AR-15 type weapons that have no business being in civilian hands - older members of this forum might remember the IRA's favourite gun, the Armalite, which is in fact the AR-15 or Armalite model 15Correction. I dont Fantasize violence. I romantices guns, in a fantasy where nobody gets hurts. People love action movie doesnt mean they love shooting people.
You'll never get it right untill you stop lumping everyone who owns guns as violence loving. There are myriad of reasons why one owns gun.
To make them accept changes, you have to humanise them, listen to their reasoning, come up with logical counter, instead of shouting "gun idiots" at every corner. This is what droves the republicans determination, because they're always shoved with insulting rhetorics.
For example. People like me would have no problem with strict as hell gun regulations, even a at home only gun might be fine by me. Just as people who believes home invasions are real would probably be fine too.
You might need other approach for hard line right wing nutters, but sure is shouting at these kinds would not work and would only be met with ignorance
Yes. And you fix religious cult by culture, education, not by persecution or shoving it to their throat. The more people are repressed the more rigorous they become.Just like religious scripts, constitutions and similar documents are being followed as is decades and centuries after despite their content making no sense in the current context. However most countries' don't have this sort of weirdo bullshit in their constitution that allows people to be illogical and pretty much 'religious' about. There's no real difference between America's gun loving population (huge chunk) and religious fanatics who follow some ancient and immoral piece of writing as if it's life's guiding principle
I can't help feeling your need to excuse gun ownership as a problem the rest of us are creating. Or not helping to solve with "our attitude".Yes. And you fix religious cult by culture, education, not by persecution or shoving it to their throat. The more people are repressed the more rigorous they become.
If Americans travel the world, and sees what a beautiful world could be without guns then they'll be more accepting of changes.
The way it's going the divide and dissent is getting sharper by the day with both sides flinging mud in either direction and digging their heels deeper
This sort of shitty attitude of labeling everyone is the one I'm talking about. At one point people will just stop engaging and becoming more entrenched in their positionI can't help feeling your need to excuse gun ownership as a problem the rest of us are creating. Or not helping to solve with "our attitude".
I can see what WI Red means. This, this here is the problem. Sorry sky, there is NOTHING the rest of the world can do to help stupid.
Very well put. This should also be the line of thought when we talk about the middle east, China etc...Yes. And you fix religious cult by culture, education, not by persecution or shoving it to their throat. The more people are repressed the more rigorous they become.
You do realise that shark has been jumped many, many kids lives ago, right?This sort of shitty attitude of labeling everyone is the one I'm talking about. At one point people will just stop engaging and becoming more entrenched in their position
Good luck calling people stupid and taking away their guns.
HehThe high chair?
And all those folks thrown into Guantanamo on a whim. Oh yeah, we all forgot about that too. Where were the dialogues? The trials? Entrenchment, I tells thee.Very well put. This should also be the line of thought when we talk about the middle east, China etc...
If his parents had kept their guns locked in a gun safe out of his reach, it wouldn't have happened. They have facilitated this by being cavalier about guns. Women carrying little pistols in their handbags, men going to the supermarket wearing a gun holster - it's normalising it all the time, it's saying "these are just another accessory you have on your person, like your keys, or a lipstick, or a coin purse."He’s too young to be tried as an adult, but will be taken from his family and put into CPS. There are kids as young as 12 in adult prisons but this 6 year old threw them all for a loop.
As mentioned above, that shipped sailed already, likely at Sandy Hook, although I would argue it was long before that.This sort of shitty attitude of labeling everyone is the one I'm talking about. At one point people will just stop engaging and becoming more entrenched in their position
Good luck calling people stupid and taking away their guns.
I have no idea why you’d fantasise about owning a gun without wanting to shoot it if at the very least, you weren’t attracted by the association with violence and fantasies of using it though.Correction. I dont Fantasize violence. I romantices guns, in a fantasy where nobody gets hurts. People love action movie doesnt mean they love shooting people.
You'll never get it right untill you stop lumping everyone who owns guns as violence loving. There are myriad of reasons why one owns gun.
To make them accept changes, you have to humanise them, listen to their reasoning, come up with logical counter, instead of shouting "gun idiots" at every corner. This is what droves the republicans determination, because they're always shoved with insulting rhetorics.
For example. People like me would have no problem with strict as hell gun regulations, even a at home only gun might be fine by me. Just as people who believes home invasions are real would probably be fine too.
You might need other approach for hard line right wing nutters, but sure is shouting at these kinds would not work and would only be met with ignorance
There should be some potential for some laws to change, currently fully automatic weapons are banned and have been for a long time, therefore it's reasonable to assume that the government should also be able to ban semi-automatic weaponsAs mentioned above, that shipped sailed already, likely at Sandy Hook, although I would argue it was long before that.
We discussed above the link of violence and gun ownership. So let’s dig into that a bit. I think we could both agree that someone should not be allowed to own a surface to air missile, right? If we start at that point of agreement I would ask why that is, why is it that handgun equals ok, but SAM not. The answer is scale, not function. We, as a society, have decided that the potential for a 6 year old to walk into school and shoot his teachers is an acceptable price to pay so we can keep our death fetish toys, but a full airplane is a bit too much. The death of others is fine, just not too much death, that makes us feel kinda bad.
That is what I am getting at. I want gun owners to, at the very least, admit that to themselves. Admit that by their purchase they are actively choosing to enable every Sandy Hook, Buffalo, Pulse Night Club, Las Vegas, etc. Laws will never change in this country, so it will come down to people changing. However, as long as they cowardly hide by the mental gymnastics of “wow, how did that happen, wish I could do something but darn it I can’t” they never will.
In 96 I lost two classmates to guns (one suicide, one homicide)There should be some potential for some laws to change, currently fully automatic weapons are banned and have been for a long time, therefore it's reasonable to assume that the government should also be able to ban semi-automatic weapons
You're forgetting that Americans don't have that history, their history is the Frontier and the Wild West so you could say they're kind of doing what you say they should doCan't we all just accept that guns are for cowards and go back to the cool times when we were all chopping each other in pieces using swords and axes instead? I mean a 6 year old wouldn't be strong enough to pickup a steel sword let along stab someone with it. Problem solved. It might ruin peoples sex dreams about waving guns around and pretending to be 007, but hey, new fantasies can be unlocked! King Arthur? Robin Hood? Odysseus? The chap from Gladiator.
Well, they can borrow/steal our history. It's ok, we can share.You're forgetting that Americans don't have that history, their history is the Frontier and the Wild West so you could say they're kind of doing what you say they should do
In those days I was still in Britain, we had events there that led to the banning of guns, Hungerford in 1987 led to the ban on "long guns" and in 1996 at a school in Dunblane, Scotland which led to a ban on handguns, tennis star Andy Murray was present at the latter though in a different classroom so not directly impacted as suchIn 96 I lost two classmates to guns (one suicide, one homicide)
In 97 we all watch the North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia live on TV as a war errupted on the streets of LA
In 98 I watch Daniel V. Jones - Wikipedia kill himslef on live TV. I can still remember the pink cloud of blood and brain matter erupting from his head.
In 99 there was Columbine.
These events, all before I turned 20, shaped my view on guns. I would like to think I still had some hope and faith after that, but if I did Sandy Hook burned every last shred to the ground.
Yup, all pro gun guys have the same logic. Its not weapons should be banned but all the workers in schools, from a janitor, through the pupils to a director, they all should be armed.I'm sure their logic is if the teacher had a gun, they could have defended themselves and shot the 6 yr old
It's bad enough with guns, don't wanna encourage swords and tomahawks as well!Well, they can borrow/steal our history. It's ok, we can share.
It's the same logic as criminals have guns therefore we must have them as wellYup, all pro gun guys have the same logic. Its not weapons should be banned but all the workers in schools, from a janitor, through the pupils to a director, they all should be armed.
It's really not though.America is one of the most fecked up countries on the planet. I've said it before but you couldn't pay me to live in that utter cess pit.
It is from what I can see - it's got a disgusting culture which I find utterly abhorrent.It's really not though.
Ah yes, the good old if a government pops into my house I must have an assault rifle to defend myself..It's the same logic as criminals have guns therefore we must have them as well
I'd be curious to know the stats for how many shootings occur when somebody actually defends their home from an intruder with a gun
These kind of generalizations dont sound good.It is from what I can see - it's got a disgusting culture which I find utterly abhorrent.
It's hard to know, but based on data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), a twice-yearly poll of crime victims conducted by the federal government:It's the same logic as criminals have guns therefore we must have them as well
I'd be curious to know the stats for how many shootings occur when somebody actually defends their home from an intruder with a gun
It's a great spot to visit don't get me wrong, I love NYC but as a culture it's disgusting and I'd rather live almost anywhere else. I've nothing against American's but it's the culture.These kind of generalizations dont sound good.
I have a friend who's always on about how horrible US is as a country.
Guess where he went for a honeymoon.