Adama Traore

RedCurry said:
My post was a reply to a comment that said Robben was one of the best wide-forwards to have played the game. Ronaldo and Messi are probably top of that list followed by the rest. What's so controversial in saying that if a young player could add this whole dimension to his game, he could become like this world class player? You can say that about so many young footballers. We compare Greenwood to RVP on this forum.
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He's 24 not 17 . He would already be there if he was going to be world class . He's had a dozen decent games and he's 24 . Robben at 24 was already amazing as was Ronaldo and Messi
 
Tel074 said:
He's 24 not 17 . He would already be there if he was going to be world class . He's had a dozen decent games and he's 24 . Robben at 24 was already amazing as was Ronaldo and Messi
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Different players do mature at different rates.

Drogba at 24 was playing for Guingamp. Van Nistelrooy was still playing in the Netherlands. Vardy was still in the National League. Even Zidane was still at Bordeaux and only just about to explode.

I'm not saying Traore will do anything like that, but him being 24 doesn't completely negate the possibility. The guy does have the pure ability so if he actually gets his head right (and he certainly is improving in that aspect) he could go right to the top.
 
MadDogg said:
Different players do mature at different rates.

Drogba at 24 was playing for Guingamp. Van Nistelrooy was still playing in the Netherlands. Vardy was still in the National League. Even Zidane was still at Bordeaux and only just about to explode.

I'm not saying Traore will do anything like that, but him being 24 doesn't completely negate the possibility. The guy does have the pure ability so if he actually gets his head right (and he certainly is improving in that aspect) he could go right to the top.
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I disagree he has the pure ability. He has pure pace but hasn't got a football brain . He has got better this year but he won't ever be anywhere near world class
 
Good game from him today, with 2 assists, taking him to 4 goals and 6 assists in the EPL this season. Decent stats.

Reminds me of Antonio Valencia. Direct, powerful and quick.
 
Him on our left and Rashford on the right would give any defense in this league nightmares. How much would he cost if Sean fecking Longstaff is 50m?
 
Tel074 said:
I disagree he has the pure ability. He has pure pace but hasn't got a football brain . He has got better this year but he won't ever be anywhere near world class
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The football brain argument is always perpetuated for a player with physical abilities. He’s sorely lacking final product and that’s not necessarily an intelligence issue. He’ll easily get in and around the box against any defense. If he even just develops a decent shot on him and score long range goals consistently, he’d become one of the top players. It’s silly to write off a player at the age 23-24 will the raw ability that he has.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Good game from him today, with 2 assists, taking him to 4 goals and 6 assists in the EPL this season. Decent stats.

Reminds me of Antonio Valencia. Direct, powerful and quick.
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He is a bit like Valencia, but also a bit like Zaha. He has raw skill and ability combined with physique and pace but like Valencia lack on the creative side, and like Zaha lacks the mental aspect of belonging in a game of football. Sometimes he just drifts in and out, which renders his qualities obsolete at the highest level. That's his biggest issue for me that he needs to sort out for his talent to really reach the next level. If he can get consistent to make the most of his abilities he can still go to the highest level, but right now he isn't reliable enough to play for the biggest clubs. Not as a first choice anyhow. He could also maybe reach the top by developing in the same way Valencia did with immense work-rate and discipline to make consistent use of his physique and pace in games. As an attacker, he still has a way to go.
 
RedCurry said:
The football brain argument is always perpetuated for a player with physical abilities. He’s sorely lacking final product and that’s not necessarily an intelligence issue. He’ll easily get in and around the box against any defense. If he even just develops a decent shot on him and score long range goals consistently, he’d become one of the top players. It’s silly to write off a player at the age 23-24 will the raw ability that he has.
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That'd make him the first player ever to do it...unless by consistently you mean 3-5 goals a season...

He needs to further improve his decision making and passing. And then he needs to learn to attack off the ball. If he can add either of those he'll become world class. Otherwise his ceiling will remain what it is, douglas costa/willian level
 
giorno said:
That'd make him the first player ever to do it...unless by consistently you mean 3-5 goals a season...

He needs to further improve his decision making and passing. And then he needs to learn to attack off the ball. If he can add either of those he'll become world class. Otherwise his ceiling will remain what it is, douglas costa/willian level
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That's a high enough level. Utd should take a punt on this guy...better than current right wing options and will have no shortage of suitors if he doesn't improve.
 
We should try and sign him before the bigger clubs come for him, yes its a bit of a punt but we've had no right side for years.
 
Sign him along with with Werner or Moussa Dembele, will make united attack very exciting and full of pace.

Rashford
Werner / Dembele
Traore
Martial
Greenwood
James

That will be an exciting group of 6 to choose front 3 from.
 
Nah, much like Depay, if he was coming into the sort of solid structure like we used to have he might be worth a shot once the senior players could show him what was expected.

Our current incarnation would see him coming in as a star and setting his own, shitty standards.
 
He's strong, fast and can do a decent cross at times but his decision making is absolutely horrendous.
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Traore is a beast. He has strength and speed. With a great coach he can be quite something I believe.

Liverpool is linked with him. This won’t be good for us as Klopp can actually coach players
 
GifLord said:
He's strong, fast and can do a decent cross at times but his decision making is absolutely horrendous.
What im talking about

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Think people are starting to overstate this whole "bad decision making" thing. Mo Salah does what you just showed in that gif multiple times in a game, Rashford does it a lot, even Cristiano Ronaldo does it. One is just a mis hit shot with no passing options in sight and the other he just dribbles into trouble, things that wingers get caught on ALL the time. For some reason when its Traore it means he's "thick" and "brainless". Guy's been fantastic this season, joint third with assists this season and a few goals to his name.
 
He works in Wolves system as a runner with a back 5 behind him but in a traditional 433 I wonder if he's good enough for a top top team. He'd be Antonio Contes dream signing.
 
manc4red said:
Traore is a beast. He has strength and speed. With a great coach he can be quite something I believe.

Liverpool is linked with him. This won’t be good for us as Klopp can actually coach players
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Article recently about how the way wolves have made it work with him is basically to stop coaching him or trying to fit him into set team patterns, and just focus on getting him into positions to let him do his thing and have the team work around him to compensate.

If he were Henry, you'd take that as a top team but I think wolves is his ceiling for the time being.
 
He's like a Depay with even less football intelligence. Which is no small feat.
 
I'm convinced people don't actually watch him play, but just rush into this thread after every game to call him brainless. For example, to ignore his assist yesterday, and to ignore his pass below at 2:10, but instead post a gif of him taking a shot when he's got no help around him as an example of him being brainless is really odd.

 
You’re talking £80m to prize him away but given the choice I’d stay at Wolves as they’re more likely to progress further than United at the moment. Him and Raúl will be the difference for them qualifying for the CL or not
 
manc4red said:
Traore is a beast. He has strength and speed. With a great coach he can be quite something I believe.

Liverpool is linked with him. This won’t be good for us as Klopp can actually coach players
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He has a great coach. Look at the strides he's made in 18 months under Nuno, he was a joke figure to the Wolves fans last season.
 
MadDogg said:
Different players do mature at different rates.

Drogba at 24 was playing for Guingamp. Van Nistelrooy was still playing in the Netherlands. Vardy was still in the National League. Even Zidane was still at Bordeaux and only just about to explode.

I'm not saying Traore will do anything like that, but him being 24 doesn't completely negate the possibility. The guy does have the pure ability so if he actually gets his head right (and he certainly is improving in that aspect) he could go right to the top.
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Thing is, players like him who rely on physical abilities might have short peak years.

Whether if he can develop his decision making ability is all a theory at this point.

But I do agree, It's never too late to be a world class player.
 
Mogget said:
I'm convinced people don't actually watch him play, but just rush into this thread after every game to call him brainless. For example, to ignore his assist yesterday, and to ignore his pass below at 2:10, but instead post a gif of him taking a shot when he's got no help around him as an example of him being brainless is really odd.

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He has moments of brilliance, but you can't really fault people for questioning his decision making. He's still young though.
 
KirkDuyt said:
He has moments of brilliance, but you can't really fault people for questioning his decision making. He's still young though.
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What matters is that he still produces the goods, regardless of whether he makes every correct choice. Theres players with better decision making that will never be anywhere near as effective as his ability to take players on with speed and power, and be a goal threat from range.

As an example he has 3 goals from outside the box this season. Bruno Fernandes has 1 in the Portuguese league and 1 in the Europa league, and his long shots are what hes known for. Only Mahrez and Maddison have scored more from outside the box in the league with 4 each. Then you have assists and only KDB and TAA have more than he has in the league this season, playing for the top 2 clubs and highest scorers in the league, while Traore is in a team thats scored even less than we have.

I could easily see him moving to a top club in the summer, maybe one from another league though. A Bayern, a PSG, etc
 
Gringo said:
He works in Wolves system as a runner with a back 5 behind him but in a traditional 433 I wonder if he's good enough for a top top team. He'd be Antonio Contes dream signing.
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This. I'm not sure he's quite productive and efficient enough to play as a forward for a top team, with the possible exceptions of City and Barcelona. As a wing player though he's exceptional
KirkDuyt said:
He has moments of brilliance, but you can't really fault people for questioning his decision making. He's still young though.
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At this point it's basically criticizing him for what he isn't and people think he could/should be
 
2 perfect crosses yesterday, one resulted in a goal, other almost, scored goals this season, has pace and strength. He would be a instant starter for us, and is a sensible Sancho alternative, not on the same level, but the next best thing.
 
Should have won the game last night for Wolves, had Jota slipped him in when it all opened up at 1-1.

He'll always have that Bale-esque problem of getting behind a deep defence, but his unique physicality, ball-carrying ability and directness must be horrible to defend against.
 
fps said:
He doesn’t defend and is horrendously inconsistent.

But he’s one of the very few premier league players I’d pay to see.
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Agree.
On his days he is a total beast! He was fantastic in the second half yesterday and made Robertson look like a slow U21-player on several occasions, but on another day he is invisible.
His acceleration is unreal and his crosses are also getting better and better.
 
We should be in for him. He's developing nicely at Wolves, and starting to iron out some issues that were present in his game. Most of the criticism is regarding his end product but he gets in them positions by his sheer skill and if he were to produce 1/4 times in a game, it normally resulting in a goal or assist. Most wingers would look to pass it backwards or not be able to take on his man therefore they don't really have the chance to put the ball in the box or make them key decisions like Adama, but he just gets the ball and is very direct with it.
 
I haven't enjoyed watching much football lately but I loved last nights game. I would pay to watch Traore any day of the week. He is exciting to watch and is very direct and effective.

Not sure James is anywhere near his level pace but that's what you do when your rapid! You run at people and absolutely terrorise them at every opportunity.
 
I'll take him at Liverpool now. There's enough about him now to suggest that his decision making has improved. He's not purely a speed merchant anymore. Also he's probably the only winger i've seen to seriously trouble Robertson. He will keep the first choice wingers honest and can easily be brought on as a substitute and still maintain the intensity. Loads of times you see Klopp go for Shaqiri , Origi as plan B. That's all fine but Adama (If he adds a bit of defensive nous to the game) can deputize for Salah initially as welll as been looked at as a low cost alternative to some of the higher priced targets out there when Salah is moved on.
 
RedFan84 said:
as welll as been looked at as a low cost alternative to some of the higher priced targets out there when Salah is moved on.
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The player Traore is getting closest to in terms of effectiveness is probably someone like Zaha (last few seasons Zaha, not United Zaha).

Zaha is 4 years older, plays for a firmly mid-table club and his asking price is £80m.

Based on all that, how much do you think it would take for us to sell Traore?
 
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