dinostar77
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For everyone whos creaming themseleves that Utd didnt buy him.
I stopped listening when the guy said "but this is why he won't fix all their problems." Who was even claiming that? Same way no one said he'd fix all of our problems either.For everyone whos creaming themseleves that Utd didnt buy him.
Pretty much what the video said, a wijnaldum replacement. Liverpools issue is that they can try to play a 'box midfield' like city, but TAA isnt stones and he has too many defensive vulnerabilities.I quite like the guys at Tifo (and I could only watch the first couple of minutes of the video so maybe they address this) but I don't think he's being brought in as a creative force for Liverpool (he didn't do that for Argentina at the world cup either) rather a left sided Gini Wijnaldum style "Klopp midfielder" who keeps hold of the ball and provides it to their playmakers (their fullbacks recently) while using his workrate etc to prevent their defence getting exposed so often.
I don't think he will be a spectacular signing but considering how poor Liverpool's midfield is right now (Elliot is shit, Fabinho/ Henderson are finished at the top level IMO, Jones is a Carling Cup level midfielder etc etc) I think it's a great deal for the reported price.
They need another couple of midfielders* (One has to be a near Kante level workhorse to cover TAAs defensive frailties) minimum to even challenge for the top 4 next season and I think while they reinforce their midfield their defence will continue to age and decay.
*I think TAA will be exposed in CM by the very best teams who will pinch the ball from him and launch counters.
Even with some things that I conccur, it's a bit of a narrow view from Tifo, while in their other choices for sensible transfers for Liverpool everyone of them apparently are exceptional players, while Macca seems it's just good. I'm not calling the Ginger one already exceptional, but it's a bit over the top how they expressed with other potential signings on the other vids and in a silly way extremely low key with Alexis.For everyone whos creaming themseleves that Utd didnt buy him.
£35m! Just £35m.I fecking love the Ginger mofo. If he had any sort of pace in him he would have been even better, a real jack for all trades player that has the right mentality and great vision. He is just 25 and I hope to at least mantein these last two seasons level through his carreer, if he gest even better, I'll take it.
I really don't put much thought on the money, that's just the market.£35m! Just £35m.
I’m sorry but what on earth does this even meanI really don't put much thought on the money, that's the market.
The best thing is his age 25, more regarding his role. He is really young for a polivalent swiss knife sort of mid to be that mature and still evolving and adding things to his game.
In any case the money paid for him indicates only two things, his desire to be in a Top Club and how under the radar and underapreciated he was and still is.
I've said it here regarding that posted Youtube video and how narrow was such analysis or when Man Utd fans didn't want him while saying he woudln't add a thing to Man Utd while he is precisly one the type of players Man Utd needs as air and right now would have been fantastic as a Mainoo enhacer. I guess it's also related to the fascination with physical players but the way he was treated in thso Foruma and named for sisntance in relation with Caicedo, was reaally very very silly.
Respect your opinion and politely disagree.I really don't put much thought on the money, that's just the market.
The best thing is his age 25, more regarding his role. He is really young for a polivalent swiss knife sort of mid to be that mature and still evolving and adding things to his game.
In any case the money paid for him indicates only two things, his desire to be in a Top Club and how under the radar and underapreciated he was and still is.
I've said it here regarding that posted Youtube video and how narrow was such analysis or when Man Utd fans didn't want him while saying he woudln't add a thing to Man Utd while he is precisly one the type of players Man Utd needs as air and right now would have been fantastic as a Mainoo enhacer. I guess it's also related to the fascination with physical players but the way he was treated in thso Foruma and named for sisntance in relation with Caicedo, was reaally very very silly.
I'll leave the silly emoji aside my dear and I'll explain better myself, please if you don't share it, leave it there, there is nothing to win here .I’m sorry but what on earth does this even mean
25 is a good age. Good midfielders tend to be good at 25. I’m not sure how he’d be a ‘Mainoo Enhancer”? Is he supposed to be fantastic defensively? Seems like they’d just get in the way of each other. We need more of Rodri type midfielder than this chap. Unless I’ve got him wrong.
My bad for not being more clear, I've meant it the other way around, that in today's market, 100 millions for any role IS SADLY THE CURRENT market...35 millions it's odd, so I don't put too much weight in the quality of player becasue of how much it was paid, that's monkey bizzness and food for the press. In some cases to avoid this silly over the top numbers from current market, some Clubs like the Portuguese ones buy directly from the source in south america, time for SA also to ask for more BTW.Respect your opinion and politely disagree.
£35m. Wowsers.
Dumbo is just looking for a bite. Especially because it can rise to £55m.£35 million had nothing to do with Liverpool’s market prowess.
Yet he is great in many.He is average. Jack of all trades also means he doesn’t really excel at anything.
Someone like Bruno Guimaraes is an all rounder who is superior at almost everything.
If I were a Pool fan, I would be praying for Alonso, because the reality of their squad will bite them
Casemiro at 200m swiss francs was great value for money shut up£35 million had nothing to do with Liverpool’s market prowess. Mac Alister agreed a new contract in 2022 and it had a release clause which Liverpool benefitted from.
There’s also the fact that Liverpool have been known to structure their deals with a lower initial fee loaded with easy to reach addons bringing them to market value. Liverpool then brief the press on the initial fee and are applauded for value, despite the fact they will inevitably pay market rate shortly after. It’s a good tactic in that it results in less pressure on their players but unfortunately wouldn’t work for United as the press always aggregate all addons into the headline fee and then convert Euros to Sterling at 1:1 and then round it up to the nearest £10m.
It can and probably will, their variables are very easy to reach, especially for "wowsers" level players. When he's touched the Anfield sign before entering the pitch twice, it's 5m added straight away.Dumbo is just looking for a bite. Especially because it can rise to £55m.
Haha, I am not Brazilian irmão! Apenas morando aqui!Yet he is great in many.
His lack of pace it's sthg that has to be adrees if you coach him, no doubt, to understand what he can provides and not. But he is really far from average irmao (I can even smell the Brahma from your words, man what I'll give for a couple of those in a Brazie Praia, the enviroment almost make them taste good)
I agree that Xabi will be the most suitable for him, I think he works better with coaches with clear ideas that can use his intelligence. And here relies his main advantage over Bruno for me, his intelligence, thought I like Bruno quite a lot too, none of them are average. Bruno BTW has on his bag a better physique and athletism, yet Macca is quite strong for his size
Rio? I'll give one nut to be in Rio right nowHaha, I am not Brazilian irmão! Apenas morando aqui!
Given the trajectory of many of Dortmund’s squad post-Klopp, I think there are big question marks about so many players in the squad and what they are capable of without him.
Dortmund’s trophy haul post-Klopp as the second biggest team in terms of spending power is a massive warning.
Liverpool, as potentially the 6th biggest spenders in the league post-Klopp? Depending on the likes of Gakpo, Endo and even Big Mac to step up?
I would be concerned #prayforXavi
If we win the PL and in the future the CL. Shit I hope we don't win those now.Dumbo is just looking for a bite. Especially because it can rise to £55m.
I agree about the tenacity and winner’s edge. I don’t think he is remarkable, but like Alvarez he has that tenacity or “raça” and a strong mentality.Rio? I'll give one nut to be in Rio right now
I get the whole view, but not regarding Macca per se.
He is a player that already played great under different managers, that adapts to many systems and I agree that Xabi will help him, but he would also love him.
And indeed due to his characteristics he needs a real 10 or in case of not having one, a set of players that at least gives an organized mid where he can switch his mode during a game. But from that type of swiss army sort of players, he is among the best, it doesn't matter if he ain't a pure destroyer, a pure 8 or a pure 10. He also has an ambition that not many people notice, he is quite, he looks shy, but he has a winner edge and confidence that is not that common, even if he doesn't have a generational talent.
As long like I've said the coach understands what he provides, he is fecking great. Indeed he ain't a pure 5 (6 in the islands), nor a pure 8 (thought for me is where he is better suited) and clearly not a 10, yet his ability to even switch within these roles even in a single match and his technical abilty and intelligence, are far from an average player.
This doesn't mean that if Liverpool ends with a bad manager and loose Salah and that sort of differential players, the team would not suffer and Alexis will suffer too, but that happens to any player of such style and characteristics.
Anyway if you don't like him, you just don't, nothing wrong with it.
Enjoy Brazil mate, fantastic country, more in vacations period
Basicly you see him as an average player, or to the very least not remarkable and me on the other hand see him as a quite underrated one and quite remarkable with a great level since at least three seasons and on the verge of improving year after year with luck on his side...yet I mean remarkable and even greater potential on his "segment", or whatever type of tag we might put on him, not in the ubber talented in a certain specific role tag.I agree about the tenacity and winner’s edge. I don’t think he is remarkable, but like Alvarez he has that tenacity or “raça” and a strong mentality.
I do think if they lose Klopp and Salah, they really do need a remarkable manager to come in. I don’t rate their squad and think he gets every drop out of them.
How can he possibly be underrated? Dumbstar said he was wowsers!Basicly you see him as an average player, or to the very least not remarkable and me on the other hand see him as a quite underrated one and quite remarkable with a great level since at least three seasons and on the verge of improving year after year with luck on his side...yet I mean remarkable and even greater potential on his "segment", or whatever type of tag we might put on him, not in the ubber talented in a certain specific role tag.
This type of players BTW tend to gain greater respect, consideration, if they win things in a regular way, while needing a couple of great instances in their carreers, mostly because they do not belong like you've said to a particular specific role doing it in an exceptional way or with an out of this world talent.
Ranting a bit, Iniesta was pretty special since day one, in a way even a Laudrup always was since day one (even if Andres is more of an 8 and the Danish is more of a 10). A type of player that would shine quite a lot more if being used correctly, but that only with an idiot as coach (or an oil/water relantionship with one) he would fail. In many senses he was unique in his style and approach regarding of what usually La Masia would provide and he arrived from other academy (albacete) like Messi aorund his 12/13 years old. Both added that quote of dribbling and individuality that was extremely need it that a ocean of passers.And we paid 60m pounds for mount .
Regarding pace, he kind of keeps up with the game but you can tell he lacks acceleration. He would perform much better in a slower league.
On the age thing, 25 is young for these type of midfielders or at least it was like 10 years ago. I remember that neither Xavi, Iniesta or Modric really showed what they could do until later in their careers. It remains to be see if Belligham-like players, will become the norm moving forward, although it is unlikely since the englishamn is exceptional.
Doping do be like thatHe started the season rather lacklustre before turning down right poor. Then he was injured and ever since he came back, he's been immense. Really good player. Better than I thought he would be tbh.
Exactly.How can he possibly be underrated? Dumbstar said he was wowsers!
True.Doping do be like that
If Palacios returns from his injury (once again) in full form, he deserves to be above everyone bar Macca. Today he had a great assist and a better game than the prior one.Varela
Enzo Macca
Argentina has a midfield for the years to come. Add Carboni, Palacios, Paz, Barrenechea, Medina, Redondo.