He’s probably got no interest in staying so I’d imagine that’s why he’s being allowed to go.
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Yes but if that's the case then signing a forward of some description in the summer was THE no1 priority. So why didn't we?
We don't have other areas of the pitch where we are going to be reliant on teenagers producing the kind of match winning input you would expect from a top class seasoned professional.
On top of that we already have a week midfield so can't rely on controlling games and grinding out 1-0s or draws where we don't score enough.
All of the positive things Ole does and says and the difference in our style of play is undermined when we leave ourselves so short of goalscoring players that achieving our aims will be next to impossible anyway.
OK, I am switching sides and in 'keep him' camp now. Saving 6 odd million in wages won't mean anything when we are so light in attack. Tbf you don't need injury to know it can/will happen and I was flip flopping on whether I want him to stay or not for this reason itself but it will be too risky now when we are seeing right at start how injuries can hamper us badly. As far as chances to youngsters are concerned, we will be having lots of games from September for that.
Would rather keep him at this point, unless he is a destabilizing presence in the dressing room. We will be short of options in case of an injury to Rashford or Martial.
Just to put into perspective. We will probably need 100 odd goals or more in all competitions for a succesful season (4th place and competing for a cup or two). You have to be able to realistically work out where those goals are coming from.
Even if we push the "realistically" part, it's a struggle. You can say 20 goals each for Rashford and Martial if they both have very good seasons and avoid significant injury layoffs. Maybe 10 for Pogba if we start using him further forward at some point. Lingard, James and Mata might get 20 between them at a push. That's 70. You still need another 30 odd from somewhere else...and I think more likely you're looking at only one of Rashford or Martial getting 20ish, depending on which one plays as the striker more. Lingard and Mata could just as easily get about 4 goals between them as they could 10-20. So more likely you are looking at relying on between 30-50 goals from the rest of the team.
Even with Sanchez, this is a big ask, but at least with him, you have a player who has the knowhow and potential to get a chunk of those goals, particularly when you consider the likely standard of opposition in the Europa League. Take him out, and the bulk of this responsibility then rests on Greenwood, Gomez, Chong, etc.
Again for perspective, if Greenwood were to score in the Premier League, he'd be one of the youngest players ever to score a Premier League goal, full stop. Never mind score them regularly. The list of scorers younger than or similar age to him mainly consists of players who scored a freak one off goal at a young age (Macheda, Milner, etc.). The list of players his age who were scoring goals with any kind of regularity at all is as follows: Wayne Rooney...and that's it. Even Owen was 18 before he burst onto the scene.
So without Sanchez you go from asking for something that's unlikely to asking for what is essentially the impossible, as well as heaping a load of pressure to produce the impossible on a bunch of unproven teenagers who barely have 90 minutes of first team experience between them.
For someone to sit there and consider this and then conclude it's a good idea to pay another team to use Sanchez instead of us is frankly just plain self destructive. I mean unless he's walking into training and actively making everyone else worse, what possible sense does this make?
Even if we push the "realistically" part, it's a struggle. You can say 20 goals each for Rashford and Martial if they both have very good seasons and avoid significant injury layoffs. Maybe 10 for Pogba if we start using him further forward at some point. Lingard, James and Mata might get 20 between them at a push. That's 70. You still need another 30 odd from somewhere else...and I think more likely you're looking at only one of Rashford or Martial getting 20ish, depending on which one plays as the striker more. Lingard and Mata could just as easily get about 4 goals between them as they could 10-20. So more likely you are looking at relying on between 30-50 goals from the rest of the team.
Even with Sanchez, this is a big ask, but at least with him, you have a player who has the knowhow and potential to get a chunk of those goals, particularly when you consider the likely standard of opposition in the Europa League. Take him out, and the bulk of this responsibility then rests on Greenwood, Gomez, Chong, etc.
Again for perspective, if Greenwood were to score in the Premier League, he'd be one of the youngest players ever to score a Premier League goal, full stop. Never mind score them regularly. The list of scorers younger than or similar age to him mainly consists of players who scored a freak one off goal at a young age (Macheda, Milner, etc.). The list of players his age who were scoring goals with any kind of regularity at all is as follows: Wayne Rooney...and that's it. Even Owen was 18 before he burst onto the scene.
So without Sanchez you go from asking for something that's unlikely to asking for what is essentially the impossible, as well as heaping a load of pressure to produce the impossible on a bunch of unproven teenagers who barely have 90 minutes of first team experience between them.
For someone to sit there and consider this and then conclude it's a good idea to pay another team to use Sanchez instead of us is frankly just plain self destructive. I mean unless he's walking into training and actively making everyone else worse, what possible sense does this make?
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Another dumb move by the club and manager in a summer full of dumb moves.
More like Eric Morecambe on piano.
Conte must having fecking rocks in his head. How one Earth have we managed to shift Lukaku and Sanchez in one summer?
Surely January funds available now though!
Surely January funds available now though!
Done dealio???? I know some are annoyed, but this is a great day in the long term, and to finally have him off the wage structure and ruining all potential renewals and potential signings is nothing but a positive.
Time to rebuild that wage structure and have in place specific salaries for young/ back up/ established/ top level players that we don't break in any circumstances.
Are we smart enough to do that?
Time to rebuild that wage structure and have in place specific salaries for young/ back up/ established/ top level players that we don't break in any circumstances.
Are we smart enough to do that?
Doubt it.
We gave Rashford 200pwk.
Would never have seen this going so badly wrong...a truly tragic signing. Just nothing. The best game I saw him have was his league debut at old Trafford against Huddersfield. Down hill massively from there. Can't remember,before too many half decent games from him. We're short in numbers but we've done well to get him off the books.
We will still be paying his wages to play for a different team. Smart.
Ole has always talked about him as if he would be part of the squad, this is Woodward and the glazers I’d suggest.
I can’t see why a manager would weaken his own squad and face criticism once Rashford and or martial inevitably get injured, this is Ole’s one and only chance at the top as manager so deliberately sabotaging it makes little sense.
They'll both be great for Inter.
Yep. Completely agree. Couldnt have put it better.
I am genuinely bemused as to where Ole, an ex striker, thinks our goals will come from. Its madness but its too late now I guess. We should've signed an established / experienced striker as well as keeping sanchez at the bare minimum.
No we won't. We'll be paying a portion but still saving millions of quid a month.
It's not ideal, but just a measure of the magnitude of the initial error.
You don't make 6 years worth of horrific errors without consequences unfortunately.
Alexis Sanchez will become new Inter player, done deal! It will be a simple loan until June 2020 from Man United and Inter will pay €5M of his €12M wage. He’ll arrive tomorrow in Milano to sign his contract, the deal is done.
So we paying £7m just for him to play elsewhere. This is just ridiculous.
Hopefully playing in a weaker league will help him. We need him to do well enough that Inter sign him permanently, not send him back to us in a year.
So essentially we will.
Martial just had an injury. Next week our striker options will be a 17 years old who has played barely few minutes at top level and Rashford.
It's incredibly shite deal to save what 4-5m pounds for a year? That's around 30-40k per week.
Surely he should've pushed for the club to keep him given we can bring no one else in? And if that is the extent of power dynamics and relationship between Ole and the board, then how on earth can that be seen as a positive? It's simply not sustainable!
The only people who have fecking rocks in their head are at our club. Such amazing job shifting Sanchez, Lukaku in one summer. Maybe they should've brought someone in while they were are it?
Fellaini, Herrera, Lukaku, Sanchez gone in 2 windows. Our only signing in midfield and attack? Daniel Jamies, a winger from championship. We deserve everything which comes our way this season.
I wonder if we get a loan fee and if inter has to buy at the end of the loan deal? Otherwise this is complete stupidity from our part
Apparently Inter have no option to buy.
They ll just pay 5 million of his 12 million salary.
Don't know if the bonuses he used to have are included or not.
I presume that the club will be saving more than (5million + taxes =7.25 million).
Not to mention that dressing room atmosphere should improve - apparently lot of playerd were not happy with his salary
They ll just pay 5 million of his 12 million salary.
Don't know if the bonuses he used to have are included or not.
I presume that the club will be saving more than (5million + taxes =7.25 million).
Not to mention that dressing room atmosphere should improve - apparently lot of playerd were not happy with his salary
It’s an Italian club. We probably have to provide his kit and packed lunches as well.
The memory will always linger, especially when it comes to contract time.
“Remember how much you paid that pudding Sanchez?”
My impression is that Ole wanted a striker when Lukaku was sold, but our negotiating team didn't manage to sign anyone.
I won't be surprised if our negotiators ("one deal at a time") left it so late so they will have an excuse not to sign anyone.
I won't be surprised if our negotiators ("one deal at a time") left it so late so they will have an excuse not to sign anyone.
True. But at least when you sign new players, they cannot use that excuse.
Seriously, how can anyone say this is a good deal for us? They're paying Sanchez €5m net on his annual salary of around ~€14.5m net. Even taking into account different tax rates in Italy and UK, we'll be footing 60% of his wages. Plus they can always send him back to us next summer.
This club is run by utter morons.
If this is true and we are stumping up the majority of his wages with Inter having absolutely no obligation to buy then it's got to rank as the most stupid decision of all the stupid decisions the club has made recently..the hierarchy at this club must be on drugs. Lukaku gone, Martial injured with only Rashford and a 17 year old prospect as backup. You just couldn't make it up. What is the point of this exactly we lose valuable experienced cover this season with every possibility Sanchez (and his inflated wages ) will be back like a bad smell next season.. bonkers..
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His salary must be much more than £12m a year? I thought he was on around £350,000 a week basic which would be around £1.5m a month so closer to £18m a year.
Did I not read that the loan would cost Inter £11m?
It's just a pity we didn't do more transfer business because the outs have been decent . Deadwood like Jones Rojo Darmian next and between January and next summer about 6 new players and we should be a far better club and team next season . I still fear this season could be alot worse than last but we have to stick with Ole and see where it takes us
This club is beyond embarrassing and deserves everything headed its way. It’s a shame we fans have to suffer as well but it is what it is.
Was Sanchez the answer to our current problem? No. Does this make the problem worse? Yes.
And after we pay for him to play for Inter for a year, he returns. Just how much more incompetence can Woodward get away with before Old Trafford starts to empty?
Was Sanchez the answer to our current problem? No. Does this make the problem worse? Yes.
And after we pay for him to play for Inter for a year, he returns. Just how much more incompetence can Woodward get away with before Old Trafford starts to empty?
I'll never forget his United unveiling video:
First of all we have a negotiating team
)Secondly it seems that Sanchez agreed to lower his net pay to 12 million a year.
So according to my calculations we will be saving (14.5 - 7m) x 1.45 (tax)=10.87 million
In Italy, they always report annual salary AFTER tax. His wages are in region of £24m gross at club.
First of all we have a negotiating team
Secondly it seems that Sanchez agreed to lower his net pay to 12 million a year.
So according to my calculations we will be saving (14.5 - 7m) x 1.45 (tax)=10.87 million
In Italy, they report wages after tax. He's not negotiated a lower pay. He's still going to be paid the same, it's just that 40% will be paid by Inter and rest by us. Great job eh?
Surely Llorente is coming in now?
Guess it's Llorente in then.... Sheesh.
no option to buy, according to Hirst.