Thisistheone
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Great point!Have you tried claiming the extra goal that Maradonna would clearly have used his hand to score?
Score's now level guys!
Great point!Have you tried claiming the extra goal that Maradonna would clearly have used his hand to score?
What seemed like the sensible thing to do has slapped me in the face. Lost me a 4 vote cushion. Gutted.I came on to vote for anto but vilanova has done a superb job of shoring things up with his subs. Toughie.
All I need then is a Santos fan to come on and vote for me after your gross mis-management of PeléI'm sure Marcos counted that one already and he still sees me winning. An Argie and Boca fan can see the actual reality of how Maradona is being nullified by his own team's setup, shame so many others can't.
Ludicrous, stop playing down Maradona for feck sake. He is nullified because he is playing with Cruyff and other very good players. Mental.Mate, we all know how good Maradona was but he is not in an ideal setup.
You have no ball-recovery, when you have it everyone is operating pretty much in the same central channel Maradona is (Cruyff, Luis Enrique, Charlton, even Breitner would cut in as well!). There's no space for him as an orchestrator to exploit.
I said early in the draft that Messi could be a better pick than Maradona in it (this game has shown me how wrong I was from a voter draw perspective, mind). Why? There are three scenarios for Maradona:
Just look up there, Marcosdeto, the ultimate Argie, Boca and by extension Maradona fan has voted for me. Clearly he sees that to the extent even his emotions can't blind him.
- With reasonably good functional players around him, he makes them all look like world beaters. That's what sets him apart as the best ever.
- With very good players around him he will still be as good a player, but you lose that extra dimension, which is where I thought Messi could be more successful in this draft.
- With very good players but no space and one actually wanting to take over the orchestrating, he is almost nullified and cut down to a moment of solo-inspiration (the one goal I think you could conceivably get here).
Vilanova Hadn't even crossed my mind! Maybe I even helped him with that renamingI came on to vote for anto but vilanova has done a superb job of shoring things up with his subs. Toughie.
Well not necessarily, he has a far greater hard-on for Messi.I'm sure Marcos counted that one already and he still sees me winning. An Argie and Boca fan can see the actual reality of how Maradona is being nullified by his own team's setup, shame so many others can't.
Isn't Marcos a River fan? It's lucky votes can't be changed or you might be in trouble for getting that one wrong!Just look up there, Marcosdeto, the ultimate Argie, Boca and by extension Maradona fan has voted for me.
Have you seriously never seen Pelé play upfront?All I need then is a Santos fan to come on and vote for me after your gross mis-management of Pelé
At no point have I said anything other than Maradona being a great player. In that very same post I actually state why I THINK HE IS THE BEST EVER.Ludicrous, stop playing down Maradona for feck sake. He is nullified because he is playing with Cruyff and other very good players. Mental.
You should have worried more about your own players being out of position, rather than constantly criticising Thisistheone's team. Maradona is right where he wants to be and he would have plenty of space, with a true striker like Eto'o pushing up and Cruyff dragging defenders left, right and centre.
You've moved him three or four times. Gives the impression you're not entirely sure how best to use him and Pelé himself must be wondering what is going on. Losing faith in the manager.Have you seriously never seen Pelé play upfront?
I like the way structured arguments are just summarily dismissed as bollocks on a continuous basis without even an attempt to prove otherwise.Even more bollocks from Anto, right at the death.
He played upfront as a striker, an awesome one at that, while you had George friggin' Weah, so that Henry had the freedom to go wide on the left and exploit that weak flank.It was too hot to handle for Anto who panicked and has constantly chucked Pelé around the pitch like a cart-horse.
I thought that was Scalisto? I may be wrong though now that you mention it. It's still a guy who has a Church (as in religious creed) named after him in his country!Isn't Marcos a River fan? It's lucky votes can't be changed or you might be in trouble for getting that one wrong!
He was doing the same thing in the "spaghetti teamsheet" () as in the second one. In fact, everyone was doing the exact same thing as before, it was just a cosmetic change to a teamsheet that had tried to explain what EXACTLY they were doing and got criticised for it. Clearly people would rather imagine themselves and I could do without the dissonance when being too specific and someone taking issue with it. I have to cut that down, it's clear the less said the better.You've moved him three or four times. Gives the impression you're not entirely sure how best to use him and Pelé himself must be wondering what is going on.
I agree with the first statement, he has been in his favoured position all along.Meanwhile, I've played Maradona in his best position all game. In fact, All tournament. I've built my team around him. Pelé deserved the same from you.
I did.So why didn't you start Pelé upfront?
Henry's remit was to go wide to help Iniesta double up on Irwin if Facchetti stayed back. If Facchetti and Iniesta doubled up on Irwin he would obviously be keeping Sammer with his hands full while waiting for the breakthrough/cross.Henry drifting left, into Iniesta's space, or Stoichkov's.
You were the one banging on about Weha being the only credible No.9 to begin with. In fact, I think that whole discussion derailed me from the most relevant points as clearly no one was ever going to vote for your side on the back of George Weah being a better No.9 than Pelé. It was ludicrous but I went along with it, my feckup.You again take the piss out of Weah while ignoring what's behind him
I'm very accutely aware of that mate, I understand. You seemed to be the only one who had the first clue about how Garrincha would work but kept it to a snippetI stayed out for two reasons.
1. Thisistheone would think I've got an agenda against him in the same way you think Fergus'son has an agenda against you because the key flaw on his side has been there for a couple of games now and I've pointed it out already - the attacking trio that has won him so many votes has only won him votes on reputation, it would be a nightmare on the pitch. Messi on that right wing would've been much better IMO.
2. Your games are full of passionate debate that inevitably descends into personal arguments.
Yeah that's what I expected. I noticed you voted for Anto & fair enough but I disagree about Garrincha, obviously.I stayed out for two reasons.
1. Thisistheone would think I've got an agenda against him in the same way you think Fergus'son has an agenda against you because the key flaw on his side has been there for a couple of games now and I've pointed it out already - the attacking trio that has won him so many votes has only won him votes on reputation, it would be a nightmare on the pitch. Messi on that right wing would've been much better IMO.
2. Your games are full of passionate debate that inevitably descends into personal arguments.
No one will answer that question as it's obviously in my interest.Are we allowed to change our minds? Or is voting in steel?
Not too many good players, everyone will have good players at this stage, the wrong mix. Orchestrators/chefs, same thing. Try get an orchesta working with two chaps leading it, same for a team on a football pitch.So your basic grumble with my team is that there's too many good players in attack?
That doesn't make sense. Too many cooks spoil the broth, that's not football, that's bloody master chef.
Valdano knew his place in the pecking order, Cruyff doesn't.Why would it be more detrimental to Maradona having Cruyff to his left than say Jorge Valdano? You're saying I should have a weaker player than Cruyff so it makes Maradona stand out more? I don't buy it.
Usually, not always. The right better players would be correct.Players become better when surrounded with better players.
Should never have made those subs. My boys could have been in the final by now.
Come on ref! There's still time
You can't honestly believe that? Look at the countless examples of quality players coming into teams where they are unable to shine because of other quality players in their role. Veron at United, Didi at Real Madrid, Overath and Netzer for Germany... the list goes on.That doesn't make sense. Too many cooks spoil the broth, that's not football, that's bloody master chef.
Veron was a brilliant player but it had more to do with him not being suited the the Premier League.You can't honestly believe that? Look at the countless examples of quality players coming into teams where they are unable to shine because of other quality players in their role. Veron at United, Didi at Real Madrid, Overath and Netzer for Germany... the list goes on.
It's 20-20... or did KM make a mistake?So I win
Good game TITO. I shot myself in the foot early on, partly the spaghetti trial to see whether it would ever work in the final (NOT), partly getting tied up in pointless arguments, but your subs helped me back in it
KM I salute you!
You have two, arguably three, banned votes to my one (which I only put in there so it didn't look weird!).KM I salute you!
I'm confused now. You voted for me right?Oh feck off Tito, you knocked me out last time.
The subs changed the game for me. I was deliberately keeping my vote till the last moment to see which team I like at the end.