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Such a valid comparison! :houllier:
Yea it is valid. If the coaches don't think Amad is ready then he shouldn't start, the same as any other player they don't think is ready. That shouldn't change no matter how much you stomp your feet and scream about the injustice of it all for days on end.
 

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Yea it is valid. If the coaches don't think Amad is ready then he shouldn't start, the same as any other player they don't think is ready. That shouldn't change no matter how much you stomp your feet and scream about the injustice of it all for days on end.
Ah, now that's a very different situation. Is Ole not sure he's ready, or is he too worried that we won't get the job done and wants experience?

He keeps saying Amad is close, knocking on the door etc...we will see if he proves it.
 

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He's barely an adult and is in the country for like 1 month. People have unrealistic expectations and forgot the meaning of the word patience.
 

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He won’t start but I’d expect to see some more minutes for himself and Shola in the second half. I’d start one of them to be honest. It’s not very often we have a 4 goal cushion. They’ll be wide open at the back chasing the tie. It seems perfectly set up.
 

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Presumably by being at his current club a bit longer than Amad has.
Sure but Musiala was given his debut at 17 yrs, a year after he moved to Bayern from Chelsea. Whereas Amad was on the verge of being a regular first teamer at Parma with a few senior minutes at Atalanta. They didn't wait on Musiala. Amad is more advanced now than when Musiala was given his chance. Not too much to ask for proper minutes for Amad leading with 4 away goals in a home tie.

Anyway the original posters contention was hilarious. Musiala got playtime cuz he has more gametime. Sure but how is Amad going to get gametime on the bench?
 

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Sure but Musiala was given his debut at 17 yrs, a year after he moved to Bayern from Chelsea. Whereas Amad was on the verge of being a regular first teamer at Parma with a few senior minutes at Atalanta. They didn't wait on Musiala. Amad is more advanced now than when Musiala was given his chance. Not too much to ask for proper minutes for Amad leading with 4 away goals in a home tie.

Anyway the original posters contention was hilarious. Musiala got playtime cuz he has more gametime. Sure but how is Amad going to get gametime on the bench?
So not less than two months after joining them then.
 

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We have given plenty of young players chances very early in their career, Bayern after years gave chance to one and people started moaning about it :lol:
 

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We have given plenty of young players chances very early in their career, Bayern after years gave chance to one and people started moaning about it :lol:
No one is moaning.

People are expressing their opinion that they think he should start.

You know the whole point of a forum. Discussion of opinions.
 
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It’s fine if he’s not ready, but we then also need to accept that he’s not as good as we thought.
 

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So not less than two months after joining them then.
Dont be facetious. So we wait for a year for every young player we buy/get?
 

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United are not going to rush him. He was bought for a lot of money so there's definitely pressure on the kid to perform and we will have fans/pundits watching his every touch. I'm sure Ole is aware of this and that's why he's reluctant to throw him into the deep end so soon after joining. Be patient.

I don't know what to make of Ole's comments from the other day but if he doesn't start then I think he'll get 25-30 minutes off the bench.
 

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No one is moaning.

People are expressing their opinion that they think he should start.

You know the whole point of a forum. Discussion of opinions.
Of course, but
It’s fine if he’s not ready, but we then also need to accept that he’s not as good as we thought.
then you read things like this....
As I and many others said: He's very young, he joined a few weeks ago, he came from a small club to freakin Manchester United where he will be watched by millions each and every game. There is nothing wrong with giving him time. He will play.He will get more and more minutes with every passing game. Really, that's all there is to it. No need for" the coaching staff doesn't trust him" "oh we bought the wrong guy" or anything similar. It's ridiculous, sorry! Trust me, I'm just as excited to see him finaly play like everyone else!
 

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My guess is we'll see something like this if VDB is healthy:

-----------Greenwood----------
James----Mata------Diallo
----------VDB---Matic----------
Telles-Axel-Bailly-Williams
----------Henderson-------------

Could include Lindelof or Maguire and play 3 at the back to shut things down because Sociedad need 4 since CBs probably get less worn down than CMs, but it doesn't really help because we're short at CM more than other spots at the moment and still need a partner for Matic. Maybe if VDB can't go, we coul see Fred for 45 and as long as we're still up 4 at the half he can be taken off safely.

Also wouldn't shock me to see Axel alongside Matic, he's played some DM.
 

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Makes more sense to give him 25-30 minutes, but then again the game will probably be dead at that time and we'll make 4 more subs and the dynamics of the game will completely change and it'll be much harder for him to prove himself. Feck it, just start him.
 

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United are not going to rush him. He was bought for a lot of money so there's definitely pressure on the kid to perform and we will have fans/pundits watching his every touch. I'm sure Ole is aware of this and that's why he's reluctant to throw him into the deep end so soon after joining. Be patient.

I don't know what to make of Ole's comments from the other day but if he doesn't start then I think he'll get 25-30 minutes off the bench.
So if he starts you think we'll have rushed him?
 

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Dont be facetious. So we wait for a year for every young player we buy/get?
Did you ever change your job? How long did it take you to feel comfortable with everything? Until you could actually give your best? Did you ever work with an 18 year old? Of course football is not 100% the same as normal work but still...they have so much to learn. Hes also in a foreign country away from friends and family. Some people are fine, some people have a hard time with it.
I get that we are all more bored than normal in these times but please be patient 2 months is nothing if you actually think about it.

So if he starts you think we'll have rushed him?
I know you didnt ask me but I pretty much answered it already in this post, so I add this:

Not necesseraly, it depends on the player. We have to trust the coaching stuff to know how much time he needs. I guess he will start and gets taken off( if he doesnt have an absolute world class performance and is the best man) or he will come on in the last half an hour.

edit:coaching staff not stuff haha
 
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So if he starts you think we'll have rushed him?
No I would love to see him start but I don't see Amad in training every day like Ole does so I trust Ole's judgement on when to play him. I think he earned this trust with how he handled Greenwood. If Amad doesn't start tomorrow I'm not going to panic and overreact like others are already doing.

He wasn't bought to be an instant solution to our RW problems.
 

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That also means we need to buy for RW.
Exactly. If we give him time in the position from now until the end of season, it might just make the decision easier this summer as to whether we need to prioritize a striker or a right winger this summer. If he hits the ground running, he could share the RW spot with Greenwood next season and we can go for a striker. If he doesn't get to play, we're going to go into yet another season with the RW situation a mystery. It's a bit like the de Gea/Henderson situation in that sense.

Play him, especially in ties that are over, see what he's made of and assess the position during the summer. Otherwise it's just another unknown. What if he turns out great next season, but we've already spent £80m on Sancho? What then? If he's good enough and hits the ground running, we would be wise to prioritise a striker in the summer if it turns out RW isn't as big an issue anymore.

Now, I'm not too anxious about him not playing tomorrow, even if tomorrow would be an ideal game to give him a start in (if 4-0 up isn't a good game to start him in, then what is?), but I think seeing what he's about during the course of this season would give us valuable information as to what position to focus on in the summer.
 

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This performance thread is already up to same length as Shaw's :lol:

Can't wait to see him bag a double hattrick tomorrow night
 

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I know what my opinion is...

My opinion is that Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, a student of the game with coaching badges and management experience, the man who actually agreed to pull the trigger and sign Diallo, the man who has a five-year plan which includes integrating young players, the man who had Diallo scouted 10-times and the man who has worked with Diallo every day for a month now, knows a hell of a lot more about WHEN to bring Diallo into the first team than a bloke who calls himself ADAM-UTD on a fecking internet forum does.
In the scenario of him not thinking Diallo is ready to play against Sociedad this week, surely the question should be asked to why he was signed for 37m. Unless you're saying teams just splash 30 odd million on 18 year olds that aren't ready to play a second leg at home when we're 4-0 up ? I assume if he's not being trusted to start in this game we won't see much of him this season. Unless you think maybe Ole will trust him to start against City or maybe Crystal Palace ? If he's not trusted to start this game then Ole's gonna like like a buffoon trusting him to start any other game this season.

I however think that he will start tomorrow and all of this discussion will be pointlesss. However, you should understand this is not a normal 18 year old. Normal 18 year olds aren't signed for that price. He costs more than many established wingers in the epl. Therefore should be ready to perform. If he isn't then the question should be asked why he was signed in the first place. Imagine signing Nani, Ronaldo, Anderson and Fergie not trusting them to start a game we're winning 4-0. Imagine Van Gal saying Martial aint ready when we spent 30 odd million on him. I like Ole but come on everyone is deserving of criticism. Diallo should be starting.
 

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Even if Amad did well?
Yes of course Diallo is only 18 and has made what 4-5 sub appearances in his entire senior career, do you think he's ready to play 40-50 games for United if we're looking to challenge for titles?

We have Greenwood one of the most promising young strikers around doesn't look like its stopping us going for Haaland. A move which would be backed by most United fans.

We have Teden Mengi too who is actually older than Diallo, also highly rated and has also only made a handful of senior appearances like Amad. And yet I don't see anyone suggesting we shouldn't sign a new centre back this summer because we have Mengi.

At 18 even Ronaldo wasn't ready to be first choice at United. It took him 2-3 seasons to mature and become a star performer.

I think people are expecting way too much of this kid way too soon.
 

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Musiala has 25+ games in the first team.
Amad has 200 minutes.
Musiala has 948 minutes over 27 games. That's the equivalent of just over ten full games. I think it's important that if you're going to cite Amad's minutes, then it's more helpful to cite Musiala's minutes too so that a direct comparison between the two can be done more accurately. That being said, there is a surmountable difference between 220 mins (Amad) and 948 mins (Musiala).
 

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Yes of course Diallo is only 18 and has made what 4-5 sub appearances in his entire senior career, do you think he's ready to play 40-50 games for United if we're looking to challenge for titles?

We have Greenwood one of the most promising young strikers around doesn't look like its stopping us going for Haaland. A move which would be backed by most United fans.

We have Teden Mengi too who is actually older than Diallo, also highly rated and has also only made a handful of senior appearances like Amad. And yet I don't see anyone suggesting we shouldn't sign a new centre back this summer because we have Mengi.

At 18 even Ronaldo wasn't ready to be first choice at United. It took him 2-3 seasons to mature and become a star performer.

I think people are expecting way too much of this kid way too soon.
SAF replaced Beckham with Ronaldo no? after ronaldinho move failed to materialize. His plan was Ole for RW with ronaldo as heir apparent. Never worked out with Ole injuries but he just waited for Ronaldo to mature.

If United decide to buy a RW in addition to Amad, I have no issues. If they think Amad is the solution, fine lets see what he can do. All I want is for the RW to be taken care of after what 10 yrs.

Btw age is not an issue. Don't see what Mengi has to do with this.
 

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Can somebody order Adam-UTD a taxi, please?

His posts are mortifying...
Can you expand on what’s mortifying? I think either way is reasonable. There’s an argument he should start tomorrow, similarly the club might want to be cautious with him. Personally I think he should be starting tomorrow.
 

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Musiala has 25+ games in the first team.
Amad has 200 minutes.
Musiala has 948 minutes over 27 games. That's the equivalent of just over ten full games. I think it's important that if you're going to cite Amad's minutes, then it's more helpful to cite Musiala's minutes too so that a direct comparison between the two can be done more accurately. That being said, there is a surmountable difference between 220 mins (Amad) and 948 mins (Musiala).
Diallo actually only has 66 minutes played outside of the youth level in his career.
 

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Diallo actually only has 66 minutes played outside of the youth level in his career.
Our pre-agreement with Atalanta, as well as Atalanta's tactical setup are certainly two contributing factors for that. But for the former he'd probably have more minutes under his belt, even if only sporadically occurring through this past half-season. Perhaps not the near thousand of Musiala, but something approaching 200 genuine first team minutes at least.

If we haven't collapsed by half-time and conceded two or three goals without reply, my guess is that we'll probably see him around the 65 min mark.
 

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SAF replaced Beckham with Ronaldo no? after ronaldinho move failed to materialize. His plan was Ole for RW with ronaldo as heir apparent. Never worked out with Ole injuries but he just waited for Ronaldo to mature.

If United decide to buy a RW in addition to Amad, I have no issues. If they think Amad is the solution, fine lets see what he can do. All I want is for the RW to be taken care of after what 10 yrs.

Btw age is not an issue. Don't see what Mengi has to do with this.
Ferguson promised Cristiano and his agent that he'll be involved in 50% of United games. He was signed as a first-team player from the very start but just extremely surpassed all expectations.

https://www.besoccer.com/new/ronaldo-film-reveals-ferguson-s-50-promise
 

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The thread's evolution:

Phase 1: GOAT Potential
Phase 2: Faked Age
Phase 3: Must start
Phase 4: Phase 1 Redux?
Phase 5: Too good for 18. Must have faked his birth cert?
 

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He would've have had 10 starts in Serie A at least playing for Parma if the loan deal which was agreed had gone through IMO. Him not starting any games at first team level is due to us signing him.
 

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Ole has already said Amed (he doesn't want to be called Dallio, right?) won't start.
 

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He's not starting. Ole had said so. The argument for this is void. He'll get half an hour if the tie isn't in danger.
 

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The thread's evolution:

Phase 1: GOAT Potential
Phase 2: Faked Age
Phase 3: Must start
Phase 4: Phase 1 Redux?
Phase 5: Too good for 18. Must have faked his birth cert?
It's been proven that the birth certificate provided to the Italian government was fake so there's no "must have".