FreakyJim
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Reading this thread I'm really not surprised. There's always people who'll defend even the most ridiculous things.
I'm quite sure nobody has defended the actions of the shooters.Reading this thread I'm really not surprised. There's always people who'll defend even the most ridiculous things.
Its not impossible, but certainly difficult, especially with the current race tensions.Call me heartless but I find it very hard to find sympathy for a man who finds it acceptable to throw a large rock (a lethal weapon) at a police officers head from point blank range.
Being a police officer in America seems like an impossible job.
Well honestly, making sweeping generalisations about gypsies and the police force is pretty moronic.Great post
Humans make generalisations all the time. Get over itWell honestly, making sweeping generalisations about gypsies and the police force is pretty moronic.
Just can't help yourself, can you!Humans make generalisations all the time. Get over it
Whats your problem?Just can't help yourself, can you!
I was making a light hearted comment as you had a generalisation in your post about generalisation.Whats your problem?
Oh ok! Stick a smiley on there or somethingI was making a light hearted comment as you had a generalisation in your post about generalisation.
only in US?I saw this earlier today and was horrified. It is absolutely disgusting what the police get away with in the USA. There's been one arrest in this which is ridiculous.
The UK police aren't perfect, but this type of incident seems a lot more commonplace in the USA.
the guy tried to hit a cop with a rock or a brick and the Brazilian was trying to get a train. Anyway they could shoot his balls or something but they don't have to kill the guy the problem is when 1 cop shoots then the other cops do the same.The UK police are no innocent party, but this type of incident seems a lot more commonplace in the USA.
The Charles de Menezes affair was huge over here. I'm not denying any part of the police's actions in that incident and in my eyes they are as culpable as the U.S. cops killing people like we saw in that video, or people like Eric Garner etc.the guy tried to hit a cop with a rock or a brick and the Brazilian was trying to get a train. Anyway they could shoot his balls or something but they don't have to kill the guy the problem is when 1 cop shoots then the other cops do the same.
How big was it? I was only 10 or 11 at the time.The Charles de Menezes affair was huge over here. I'm not denying any part of the police's actions in that incident and in my eyes they are as culpable as the U.S. cops killing people like we saw in that video, or people like Eric Garner etc.
It was a massive story in the UK. It was a series of monumental feck-ups by the Police that led to his death. There was a lot of confusion over the facts and who was responsible, and that only fuelled the story to run and run.How big was it? I was only 10 or 11 at the time.
British police don't carry firearms, right? A machete wielding man in most parts of the world would be shot down after making one attempt at a cop, and probably justly so. There's a massive difference in throwing a rock at someone or wielding a machete. It took about two dozen police to subdue that man as well. Good for the UK in this scenario but it's highly likely a different outcome occurs if UK police are carrying firearms.It absolutely needs to be changed. Although ideally in parallel with legislation that makes it much much harder to buy or carry a gun.
Even with a non-concealed weapon there's no need for any police force to go round carrying out summary executions. Just need police with better training and more respect for human life.
In here? Probably catch you and you'll get some knuckles sandwich in the stationHonestly, he shouldn't have thrown rocks at the cops and not run off. But still it seems police are often justified with firing weapons whether the extreme force was called for or not.
How do police forces in other countries handle these kinds of incidents?
Wrong, you'd be surprised how many armed Police there are in the UK, all parts of the country have Armed Response Vehicle units on duty, particularly in London, where that video looks like it was filmed.British police don't carry firearms, right? A machete wielding man in most parts of the world would be shot down after making one attempt at a cop, and probably justly so. There's a massive difference in throwing a rock at someone or wielding a machete. It took about two dozen police to subdue that man as well. Good for the UK in this scenario but it's highly likely a different outcome occurs if UK police are carrying firearms.
This doesn't condone the actions those officers took shooting the guy that surrendered, but if that man was wielding a machete at police versus tossing a rock, would you seriously find it excessive force by the police?
What if one of those police officers was your best friend or a family member, resisted to fire on the suspect, then got his neck slashed and bled out?
They have access to armed response units. If that bloke had been carrying a gun they'd have been called in. Not every scenario involving someone who is armed and resisting arrest requires a lethal response though. Moving back to the video in the OP, there's no way that couldn't have been dealt with in a way that ensured the safety of those cops without shooting dead someone who was holding empty hands out wide. That's the key issue here. Don't know if it's training or the general culture of fear the gun lobby foster in the states but over-reaction to perceived threat has become the norm over there. Which is a big problem.British police don't carry firearms, right? A machete wielding man in most parts of the world would be shot down after making one attempt at a cop, and probably justly so. There's a massive difference in throwing a rock at someone or wielding a machete. It took about two dozen police to subdue that man as well. Good for the UK in this scenario but it's highly likely a different outcome occurs if UK police are carrying firearms.
This doesn't condone the actions those officers took shooting the guy that surrendered, but if that man was wielding a machete at police versus tossing a rock, would you seriously find it excessive force by the police?
What if one of those police officers was your best friend or a family member, resisted to fire on the suspect, then got his neck slashed and bled out?
Even when they have a gun pointing at them, the Police don't shoot to kill.British police don't carry firearms, right? A machete wielding man in most parts of the world would be shot down after making one attempt at a cop, and probably justly so. There's a massive difference in throwing a rock at someone or wielding a machete. It took about two dozen police to subdue that man as well. Good for the UK in this scenario but it's highly likely a different outcome occurs if UK police are carrying firearms.
This doesn't condone the actions those officers took shooting the guy that surrendered, but if that man was wielding a machete at police versus tossing a rock, would you seriously find it excessive force by the police?
What if one of those police officers was your best friend or a family member, resisted to fire on the suspect, then got his neck slashed and bled out?
Just seen this story linked to below that one:Even when they have a gun pointing at them, the Police don't shoot to kill.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11288994/Teenage-gunman-aimed-rifle-at-police.html
It's probably some of both, but there's absolutely no doubt that the route cause of the problem is everyone's favourite Amendment to the Constitution.They have access to armed response units. If that bloke had been carrying a gun they'd have been called in. Not every scenario involving someone who is armed and resisting arrest requires a lethal response though. Moving back to the video in the OP, there's no way that couldn't have been dealt with in a way that ensured the safety of those cops without shooting dead someone who was holding empty hands out wide. That's the key issue here. Don't know if it's training or the general culture of fear the gun lobby foster in the states but over-reaction to perceived threat has become the norm over there. Which is a big problem.
I can't see the video clearly, if that's what happened... blimey... bricking a cop in the face.... I don't think in that spur adrenalin rush i can guarantee i have enough restraint to act according to the law., the man has just thrown a brick to my headCall me heartless but I find it very hard to find sympathy for a man who finds it acceptable to throw a large rock (a lethal weapon) at a police officers head from point blank range.
Being a police officer in America seems like an impossible job.
The man is a fecking idiot.Just seen this story linked to below that one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...lised-and-licensed-Nigel-Farage-has-said.html
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How big was it? I was only 10 or 11 at the time.
As Tarrou mentioned, it was massive. I was only a couple of years older than yourself, but I remember not being allowed to take the tube for ages as my mum thought I'd get shot (lol). The guy was totally innocent, posed no threat. He was pinned down and shot 7 times in the head. Iirc, there were two versions of the event and one was a huge cover up (on Hillsborough scale). Police chiefs resigning, racial profiling, charges, counter charges, the whole shabang.It was a massive story in the UK. It was a series of monumental feck-ups by the Police that led to his death. There was a lot of confusion over the facts and who was responsible, and that only fuelled the story to run and run.
Just when you thought Nigel Farage couldn't be any more complete a feckwit.Just seen this story linked to below that one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...lised-and-licensed-Nigel-Farage-has-said.html
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I live down the road from Stockwell Station and there's a mural of him on the wall outside and people still bring flowers/stick notes etc. Was a big deal. You'd have to go a while to find a Londoner who didn't know his name or what it meant.How big was it? I was only 10 or 11 at the time.
Yep, its a fairly self contained country that sets its own norms rather than receive them from other countries. Although that's changing a bit over the past decade or so.Its taken a couple of hundred years but the US has finally developed a complete Island mentality. The majority of Americans have no idea what life or values are like beyond their own nation.
God bless america and the rest are inferior and out to get us. We are entitled to denfend ourselves, against something - we don't know what - so we'll arm ourselves to the teeth, shoot first and ask questions later.
That's a dangerous receipe particularly when you throw racial and social inequality into the pot.
If you want to know something really scary, US governments communication strategies in the last 70 years having been based on the exact theory which enabled the fascists to gain such blind loyal devotion in Germany in the 30's. A very basic theory on the psychology of crowds.Yep, its a fairly self contained country that sets its own norms rather than receive them from other countries. Although that's changing a bit over the past decade or so.
Whilst you are right, one of the things standing in the way of the US bringing about the changes needed to fix it's biggest problems is the fact that a lot of the time it doesn't treat itself as one nation, rather 50 States.Its taken a couple of hundred years but the US has finally developed a complete Island mentality. The majority of Americans have no idea what life or values are like beyond their own nation.
God bless america and the rest are inferior and out to get us. We are entitled to denfend ourselves, against something - we don't know what - so we'll arm ourselves to the teeth, shoot first and ask questions later.
That's a dangerous receipe particularly when you throw racial and social inequality into the pot.
That's exactly the same as what I said just above you.I live down the road from Stockwell Station and there's a mural of him on the wall outside and people still bring flowers/stick notes etc. Was a big deal. You'd have to go a while to find a Londoner who didn't know his name or what it meant.
Shorn of any context it's a far worse feck up than this, obviously, but then that context was 2 weeks after 7/7 and the day after a follow up plot was foiled. Still inexcusable, but going back 10 years to find an incident comparable with something that seems to happen every 10 days in the US, and even then having it be a mistaken high stakes terrorism call, isn't a particularly winning argument.
Duggan would probably be a better one, but even that isn't as cut and dry.
Look at the poll resultsJust seen this story linked to below that one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...lised-and-licensed-Nigel-Farage-has-said.html
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