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Isn't this how Nazi Germany started ?
If you really cannot hold yourself from spouting insults at the team or the manager for every little indiscretion they make - I would suggest a better diet, less stress and more exercise, because that behaviour really isn’t healthy especially if you’re not a child.
Many of you have probably read the thread about the "disgraceful level of support for the club on these forums". That has sparked a discussion among the modmins and we've decided it's time to address some of the excessively negative posts on here.
Specifically, posts that are nothing but a hysterical attack on the team, a specific player or the manager. These need to stop.
Examples:
These kinds of comments add nothing to discussions and are ruining many threads on here. From now on the modmins will be clamping down on that kind of thing with warnings and bans for repeat offenders.
- "We're so shit"
- "He's such an awful player"
- "What a donkey Lukaku is"
- "Sell this fool"
- "McTominay is an awful footballer"
- "The manager is rubbish"
- "I hope we lose so Mourinho gets the sack"
We see these kind of posts most prominently in the match threads and player performance threads, but they are showing up in other discussions as well. We know posts in the match threads are in the heat of the moment, and we already allow a lot leniency in those threads, but that's no excuse for these kind of hateful posts.
Pogue said it perfectly in one of his posts in the "disgraceful support" thread:
The type of posts listed in his second paragraph are what I'm talking about.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you can't express negative opinions. You don't like how we're playing, that's fine. You don't think Mourinho is the right man for the job, fair enough. You think Lukaku's first touch is poor, well ok then. Those kinds of opinions are still perfectly ok to post but need to be expressed in a reasonable fashion. Make your point and back it up. Getting hysterical and posting rubbish like the examples above is just not on anymore.
Furthermore, we'll be closing player performance threads during matches from now on. They'll be open again once the match finishes. There are far too many posts in those threads during matches along the lines of "WTF was that from Smalling? Shocking player!" or "Lukaku scores! Told you he was awesome!!".
Player performance threads are not the place to comment on a specific thing a player does in the middle of a match, they are for discussing a performance after it's finished. Once the match is done you can make a (hopefully) level headed post about how a player performed in the match.
I hope that's clear. Any questions?
I like it.
I have to say, as much as I think we have played some poor football at times this season, I haven't used the matchday thread during a game for a while because it is so over the top. It used to be a bit of fun for me sharing the the matchday experience when watching at home where no one else gives a shite about football, but it just hasn;t been any fun, even when we are winning, for quite a while.
I've even stopped looking at the United forum for days after a match if we don't get a result, too bloody depressing.
If there’s no need to debate it, then there’s no need to post a crap post about it on here.you've got every right to think its a shit post and I'll defend your right to say that every time.
All I am saying is that there are instances that explaining why a player is shit is silly. Think of the likes of Smalling, Mcnair or Moyes. Should we even debate that?
Can we have a thread just for negative comments which everyone else can ignore? I must admit I quite like reading them even if I try not to make them.
I've seen posts wishing injury's on players, those are the types of things that should be clamped down on.
But I'm a big believer in freedom of speech, football is a emotional game and people like to vent their frustrations and forums like this is a good place to do that, so if people think "we are shit" something most have have thought a few times whilst watching United this season I'm sure or "............. is a awful player", why can't someone write that?
I do think clamping down on 'opinions' like that the forum will be losing something and be a worse place for it, would Twitter ever get censored like that?
I think a bigger problem on here is there are large percentage on this forum are not even United fans, RedCafe is more accommodating to rival fans joining than any other forum I've been on, but some are true wind up merchants and take it upon themselves to put you on a downer even when things are going well, I'd say people who have a reputation for doing that are more toxic to the forum than people who give 'opinions' in the heat of the moment and that should be clamped down on more so than this.
Freedom of speech isn't a thing on a private forum. If someone needs to vent do it in the matchday thread or elsewhere instead of clogging up discussions with childish, emotional nonsense.But I'm a big believer in freedom of speech, football is a emotional game and people like to vent their frustrations and forums like this is a good place to do that, so if people think "we are shit" something most have have thought a few times whilst watching United this season I'm sure or "............. is a awful player", why can't someone write that?
I do think clamping down on 'opinions' like that the forum will be losing something and be a worse place for it, would Twitter ever get censored like that?
I think a bigger problem on here is there are large percentage on this forum are not even United fans, RedCafe is more accommodating to rival fans joining than any other forum I've been on, but some are true wind up merchants and take it upon themselves to put you on a downer even when things are going well, I'd say people who have a reputation for doing that are more toxic to the forum than people who give 'opinions' in the heat of the moment and that should be clamped down on more so than this.
As for the opposition fans, I've seen far fewer complaints about them than I have about the negativity in the football forums so I doubt most people think they're a bigger problem.
1. It's a private forum. Speech is moderated.I've seen posts wishing injury's on players, those are the types of things that should be clamped down on.
But I'm a big believer in freedom of speech, football is a emotional game and people like to vent their frustrations and forums like this is a good place to do that, so if people think "we are shit" something most have have thought a few times whilst watching United this season I'm sure or "............. is a awful player", why can't someone write that?
I do think clamping down on 'opinions' like that the forum will be losing something and be a worse place for it, would Twitter ever get censored like that?
I think a bigger problem on here is there are large percentage on this forum are not even United fans, RedCafe is more accommodating to rival fans joining than any other forum I've been on, but some are true wind up merchants and take it upon themselves to put you on a downer even when things are going well, I'd say people who have a reputation for doing that are more toxic to the forum than people who give 'opinions' in the heat of the moment and that should be clamped down on more so than this.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you can't express negative opinions. You don't like how we're playing, that's fine. You don't think Mourinho is the right man for the job, fair enough. You think Lukaku's first touch is poor, well ok then. Those kinds of opinions are still perfectly ok to post but need to be expressed in a reasonable fashion. Make your point and back it up. Getting hysterical and posting rubbish like the examples above is just not on anymore.
Freedom of speech isn't a thing on a private forum. If someone needs to vent do it in the matchday thread or elsewhere instead of clogging up discussions with childish, emotional nonsense.
Saying 'we are shit' or 'Smalling is an awful player' offer absolutely nothing to this forum, in fact it's the amount of posts along those lines that has made a number of people not want to bother posting about United on here any more. Twitter is a completely different site that isn't really comparable to the Caf with regard to what you expect from a discussion.
The United forum is full of United fans radiating negativity, that's nothing to do with opposition fans.
I do think clamping down on 'opinions' like that the forum will be losing something and be a worse place for it, would Twitter ever get censored like that?
I'm not so sure. Even when the forum was very depressed about LVG I didn't see the kind of personal vitriol being thrown the way of our players I see on a regular basis now. The quality of discussion was of a better caliber.When Van Gaal was coming to the end of his tenure the forum was comparably negative - the main difference being that the vast majority of people agreed. Right now there's a big divide and it inherently (and understandably) rubs people the wrong way.
That’s not what we are asking at all and you know it. Don’t be so obtuse.
Doesn't matter if it's a privatly owned forum or not, the site is open to the public to join to talk about football and with that you've got to be open to listen to different opinions on football whether you agree or not.
Placing restrictions on what people can and can't post is basiclly making this forum North Korea.
If people don't think Scott McTomminay is a good player (for example) people have a right to opinion on that, having a forum of everyone singing from the same hymn sheet how x player is fantastic, the forum will be losing something.
If people don't think Scott McTomminay is a good player (for example) people have a right to opinion on that, having a forum of everyone singing from the same hymn sheet how x player is fantastic, the forum will be losing something.
You can still complain about gays and transexuals being interviewed for managerial positions.And another 10 years after that must interview at least 1 gay and 1 transsexual.
It literally does matter if it's a private forum. What can and can't be posted is entirely at the discretion of the owner of the site. Can you not see the difference in quality and value between saying 'Smalling is shit' or something like 'Smalling has made a number of mistakes in recent weeks and I don't think he's good enough to be a long term starting centre half for us'? The first is pointless and adds nothing, the latter is a debatable point. If you can't see why the torrent of posts like the former are unwanted then it's pointless continuing this conversation. It's important to bear in mind that this is the result of an absolute metric feckton of negative posts dragging people down and not the mods/admins deciding to turn this into happyfuntimeland on a whim.Doesn't matter if it's a privatly owned forum or not, the site is open to the public to join to talk about football and with that you've got to be open to listen to different opinions on football whether you agree or not.
Placing restrictions on what people can and can't post is basiclly making this forum North Korea.
If people don't think Scott McTomminay is a good player (for example) people have a right to opinion on that, having a forum of everyone singing from the same hymn sheet how x player is fantastic, the forum will be losing something.
I'm not so sure. Even when the forum was very depressed about LVG I didn't see the kind of personal vitriol being thrown the way of our players I see on a regular basis now. The quality of discussion was of a better caliber.
@Raoul looks like you win the money mate
Some of you need to re-read my OP. You’re over analysing what I said and jumping to the wrong conclusion.
Opinions, negative or otherwise, will not be clamped down on/censored. Just try and put more effort in than “he’s so shit”, “we’re shit”, “everything is shit” <head explodes>!
The match threads are a special case where emotions run high, always have been, and will stay that way. We get that. But please refrain from sweeping ultra negative and hateful posts of the ilk highlighted in my OP.
I've seen posts wishing injury's on players, those are the types of things that should be clamped down on.
But I'm a big believer in freedom of speech, football is a emotional game and people like to vent their frustrations and forums like this is a good place to do that, so if people think "we are shit" something most have have thought a few times whilst watching United this season I'm sure or "............. is a awful player", why can't someone write that?
I do think clamping down on 'opinions' like that the forum will be losing something and be a worse place for it, would Twitter ever get censored like that?
I think a bigger problem on here is there are large percentage on this forum are not even United fans, RedCafe is more accommodating to rival fans joining than any other forum I've been on, but some are true wind up merchants and take it upon themselves to put you on a downer even when things are going well, I'd say people who have a reputation for doing that are more toxic to the forum than people who give 'opinions' in the heat of the moment and that should be clamped down on more so than this.