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I only remember him being our deepest midfielder once away to Chelsea where he did a good job considering. I wouldn't mind him being tried there again.
Or we could just exaggerate and pretend we were overrun and struggling to pass the ball.
Watch the opening 25 minutes of the game again and try to claim it wasn't the case.
A still think a midfield 3 of Pogba, Herrera and Schneiderlin is our best bet. Plenty of movement off the ball and adequate protection for our back 4.
Elsewhere people want to give players several seasons to adjust to playing in a new league or new club, etc. - provided they like that player. Yet when Herrera changes from #8 to #6 we can't give him a match.
Not as if they did anything with their play. I think they got 1 cross in and no shots.
In what way has that got anything to do with what I said?
Saying we were 'overrun' is exaggeration.
Its not unusual for a team to take a while to grow into some games nevermind an away game, the first game of the season. As long as we didn't concede many chances and eventually found our feet its not such an issue.
I'm not saying it's a big deal. It isn't. It was initially my reply to statements that he'd played really well in the first half. It's now some kind of crime to say otherwise.
Bournemouth dominated the midfield and we barely passed the ball. Watch it again if you can't remember it.
Why are we discussing the opening 20 minutes of the first game of the season under a new manager again?
Man Utd 2:0 Southampton
sorry I did'nt know where else to post this but Herrera just said "Antonio Valencia is on par with Dani Alves as the best RB in the world" 
Link?sorry I did'nt know where else to post this but Herrera just said "Antonio Valencia is on par with Dani Alves as the best RB in the world"
Suppose Valencia is a real hard worker and a really popular player in the dressing room. One teammate bigging up another, no matter how inaccurate it is!
Alves, especially in his prime, was a monster. Basically a 2-in-1 RB and RM for Barca. He's slightly declining now though.
Not sure who the best RB in the world actually is tbf.
HERRERA: VALENCIA IS WORLD'S BEST RIGHT-BACK
I mean I get bigging up a team mate but come onnn hahah. He works hard but (no offence to Val) he might not be in the top 10. Maybe this season Mou might push him thereabouts but probably not into the top 5. Ander is just super happy at the club and loves being part of a potentially great team hence
Yeah, Herrera is a very likable bloke. His reactions whenever we score, especially when he's on the benchHERRERA: VALENCIA IS WORLD'S BEST RIGHT-BACK
I mean I get bigging up a team mate but come onnn hahah. He works hard but (no offence to Val) he might not be in the top 10. Maybe this season Mou might push him thereabouts but probably not into the top 5. Ander is just super happy at the club and loves being part of a potentially great team hence
Stats wise I don't think he's far off now really. Obviously Alves used to be clearly the best in the world, but he's regressed quite a bit.sorry I did'nt know where else to post this but Herrera just said "Antonio Valencia is on par with Dani Alves as the best RB in the world"
Who else is really in that bracket now?
Carvajal, Coleman, Valencia, Bellerin, Sagna, Lahm.. I am sure I am forgetting many. There isn't a stand out anymore though. Same with LB too really, there's lots of good ones but I think Shaw is well on the way to being the worlds best. He just needs to add some more assists and goals.
Think he is being a good friend and bigging up a teammate. Although Valencia seems to be full on confidence again and nobody can fault the job he is doing for the team.
Might not in a top 10 or even top 5? I don't think I agree with Herrera because Lahm is still playing but surely none else are any better than him at the moment apart from Alves and Lahm. The likes of Carvajal, Bellerin, Sagna, and Juanfran aren't much better or worse than Valencia. Barcelona will be so happy right now if they can take Valencia as their right back.HERRERA: VALENCIA IS WORLD'S BEST RIGHT-BACK
I mean I get bigging up a team mate but come onnn hahah. He works hard but (no offence to Val) he might not be in the top 10. Maybe this season Mou might push him thereabouts but probably not into the top 5. Ander is just super happy at the club and loves being part of a potentially great team hence
Don't see how Herrera can have an important role in the team if we're playing with two center mids as Jose said we would. Assuming one is Pogba, the other needs more defensive solidity. Then he's probably at least, what, third in line for the No 10 spot? So hard to see where the league starts come but I guess he'll be starting in the cups.
How are carvajal, bellerin and juanfran not much better? That's without even getting into the likes of Sciglio, Florenzi etc.
It's called Bench Warmer
I used to think so too.
But Herrera and Morgan played against West Ham last season and were truly awful. I remember we played a midfield 3 and Rooney outperformed both.
They both need to step up their game. Schneiderlin especially.
I'll give you Sagna and Juanfran (whose age is starting to get to him) but Carvajal and Bellerin are both significantly better, and there are others. Florenzi, de Sciglio, Aurier, Piszczek, Coleman...We can be happy with Valencia so far this season, but best in the world is very wide of the mark.
How are Carvajal, Bellerin and Juanfran are much better than Valencia? Just like Valencia, Juanfran was a winger and converted to right back. Have you watch Juanfran play? Would you consider him to be a world class right back? I want to know how do you rate Juanfran because he's clearly ahead of Bellerin and Carvajal for Spain's right back order. The funny thing is that Bellerin couldn't even start ahead of Juanfran as a right back in Euro 2016. Carvajal couldn't even make Spain's squad and he was being rotated with Danilo in right back position.
Sciglio, Florentine and who else? I never understand how people overrated more names of non proof right back who has done nothing great, have we forgotten about Darmian who was considered to be Italy best right back before he joined us and now he's worse than Valencia. The fact that I think Valencia is not much better or worse than most right back out there like Juanfran, Carvajal and Bellerin means to me there are not many exceptional right back out there apart from Lahm and Alves. The only thing that these right back are much better than Valencia is that they are still young and have potential to be better right back than Valencia. But if we are talking about the current ability, I don't see much different.
Wrong thread, but De Sciglio is rotten. Seamus Coleman is shite, too.
Herrera isn't too far away, especially in an attacking sense. Plus, our players are in a good fettle and simply bigging each other up. Let it be.
Herrera isn't too far away, especially in an attacking sense. Plus, our players are in a good fettle and simply bigging each other up. Let it be.
Age is just about the players have more potential to be a better right back later on. For current level, I don't see much different. I also dare to say that Valencia can be considered to be in a category of PFA team of the year for right back position this season. The competition is tight with Bellerin, Walker, Clyne, Coleman, Sagna but their level aren't much different than Valencia imo, don't you agree?
We can be happy with Valencia so far this season, but best in the world is very wide of the mark.
Don't ask idiotic questions like "Have you seen Juanfran play" if you want a response to your post. Would I be commenting on him without having seen him play?
Now, I'm not sure what the point of your 1st paragraph is. Can you clarify? Carvajal missed the Euros because he was injured btw.
You're right in saying there aren't many exceptional RBs around but it doesnt take an exceptional RB to be better than Valencia which is why Herrera's comments are simply wrong. Juanfran, Carvajal, Lahm and Alves are easily better. Bellerin too though not by the same margin. The likes of Sciglio and Florenzi havent done enough to be called better which is why I named them separately, they are around Valencia's level with none of them having done enough on a consistent basis to be considered better than the other. Only Utd fans could even think Valencia is close to the best RB in the world though. The turnaround is also funny given the same set wanted a new 1st choice RB till 2 games back.
Nope I don't want a response to my post because all I can see right now is agree to disagree. Unfortunately for you, I'm one of the United fans who has been sticking with my own words that we don't need a new 1st choice right back since the pre season and end of last season. Mainly because I don't see anyone out there are actually much better than the current Valencia apart from Alves and Lahm. Funny thing is I have seen so many people out there like you who thinks that we change our mind, highly doubt that you even pay attention on who changed their mind and who sticked their mind. I'm 100% sure so many United fans are still expecting a new right back like Fabinho.
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Hmm.. sorry mate but I think you need to re read my post again. I'm 100% sure I said that I stick with Valencia as our right back during "at the end" of last season and "pre season" not during last season or before pre season started.
So why did you even use those two posts? Those two posts were before the pre season even started and not during at the end of last season.
I can see that you are clearly misunderstood it, I wanted Valencia as our right back this season but I didn't expect Jose to pick him as our right back because I thought he prefers a right back specialist or natural full back, that's why I named Azpillicueta and Darmian. I also expected Jose prefers a right back who likes to defend like Ivanovic and that's why I named Mensah as a right back option. I was expecting Jose to use Valencia as a right midfielder just like how he used Ramirez in a big games. But during pre season match, Jose actually likes Valencia as a right back.
Posted on 29th July
Posted on 23rd July
I can post them more if you want.
I posted it to highlight how your opinion has done a 180 simply because Jose chose to keep him and not based on him actually proving you wrong unless 2 PL games against Bournemouth and Soton or the few pre season games in China is all it takes. Ofcourse I noticed the dates when those posts were made, its right next to the post itself but that wasn't the point. Its not even wrong to change your mind btw, its just weird to see people hype up Valencia like you did earlier so soon. I'm delighted at the change in him and Fellaini and hope they keep them up but I'm not going to argue for Fellaini as one of the best CMs in the world just as I wouldnt for Valencia as one of the best RBs. They need to do a lot more over a much longer period of time before they can be considered so. Herrera is his teammate, he can say stupid things even if he doesnt believe it to hype up a friend. Not sure why posters here need to do the same.
Anyways, this is the Herrera thread and we're derailing it. I wouldnt even have dug up the posts had you not added the edit. I had left it without a reply after your original response. Agree to disagree or whatever.
I already said this from the previous post that I sticked with Valencia as our right back since at the end of last season and pre season. Which mean I haven't change my opinion at all since then. Those two posts that you used were different date. At the end of last season Valencia looked a completely different player, since then personally I wanted him as a right back but realistically I thought Jose wanted a specialist right back, that's why I didn't expect him to be our right back in Jose's starting eleven. I like to think realistic instead of talking something based on my personal feeling.
He didn't have a great season, but there are plenty of examples in this video highlighting his good technique and eye for a pass. I'm a big fan of his, hope he can take advantage of Fellaini's absence to show what he can do.
Man Utd 1:2 Man City
Really bright start since he came on at half time.
He's making such a difference.
Massive sub. He's up for it. Allowing Pogba forward too.
Nah, this can't be right. The Caf already decided he can't ever play as a holding mid. Sorcery.
You're a wizard Harry
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