Ander Herrera - PSG player

[Aouer-United]

PSG fan doesn't rate him so highly, they don't care if he's sold.

 

[JPRouve]

He was brought as a squad player, why would they particularly care if he is sold? As long as he is numerically replaced.

 

[Oly Francis]

I don't follow, he is paid in Euros and lives in the Eurozone. There is a zero euro difference and it's also a miles away from the 300K reported in the british press.

British papers have a tendancy to give absurd numbers when disclosing wages of players leaving PL. I remember when the BBC announced that Ramsey was going to get paid 23M/year at Juventus when in fact, he's earning 7M...

PSG fan doesn't rate him so highly, they don't care if he's sold.

To be honest, i like him because i've seen him play in spain and for Man Utd and he's an amazing guy but he's been injured so often since he signed for PSG that most supporters won't miss him if he gets transfered because they never had a chance to see him play more than 2 games in a row.

 

[Decomposing In Paris]

Some people really don’t like that he was a good player for us.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Some people really don’t like that he was a good player for us.

Eh?

 

[Varun]

British papers have a tendancy to give absurd numbers when disclosing wages of players leaving PL. I remember when the BBC announced that Ramsey was going to get paid 23M/year at Juventus when in fact, he's earning 7M...




To be honest, i like him because i've seen him play in spain and for Man Utd and he's an amazing guy but he's been injured so often since he signed for PSG that most supporters won't miss him if he gets transfered because they never had a chance to see him play more than 2 games in a row.

Ramsey is on 7mil gross?

 

[Shaw Mee Tah Mané]

British papers have a tendancy to give absurd numbers when disclosing wages of players leaving PL. I remember when the BBC announced that Ramsey was going to get paid 23M/year at Juventus when in fact, he's earning 7M...

British papers always mention gross salaries, french/italian mentions the net salaries.

 

[JPRouve]

British papers always mention gross salaries, french/italian mentions the net salaries.

That's not true and I don't really get where people get that from, in France it can be either and it will be precised.

 

[Oly Francis]

Ramsey is on 7mil gross?

British papers always mention gross salaries, french/italian mentions the net salaries.

It's probably net but in no way 7M net is 23M gross in italy, especially since they introduced their own Beckham Law, drastically reducing income tax for foreign players.

 

[Oly Francis]

That's not true and I don't really get where people get that from, in France it can be either and it will be precised.

Yeah, in France it's most of the time gross salary, the papers want to show how HUGE and outrageous wages for football players are and gross salaries sound far more impressive.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Yeah, in France it's most of the time gross salary, the papers want to show how HUGE and outrageous wages for football players are and gross salaries sound far more impressive.

The Ramsey on £22m came from one of the best sources in David Ornstein and from someone very close to the player, so trusted that the BBC reported it. Juve put out a lower figure at £14m a little while after.

 

[crossy1686]

Hugely underrated player. You would think our inability to control midfield and play out from the back wasn't a glaring weakness. He was and still is massively missed. Retained the ball well and his stats for winning the ball back were as good as anyone's in the premier League era.

If we hadn't fecked around for so long with our contract renewal he'd still here.

And you’d be happy with a player we’ve barely missed knocking around the club on over £150k a week aged over 30?

 

[ivaldo]

And you’d be happy with a player we’ve barely missed knocking around the club on over £150k a week aged over 30?

Nah, id be happy with an experienced player we've desperately missed playing a key role in a young side. But hey, if you want to pretend we've somehow not got worse at controlling games that's up to you.

 

[Bojan11]

No issues the club moving him along. The stupid thing was not replacing him and Fellaini.

 

[Oly Francis]

The Ramsey on £22m came from one of the best sources in David Ornstein and from someone very close to the player, so trusted that the BBC reported it. Juve put out a lower figure at £14m a little while after.

So it's fine for journalists to report absurd mistakes if they thought it was a reliable info without doing basic journalistic work? I mean how can anyone with a serious knowledge of football could think for one second than Juventus would give Ramsey the second highest salary in Serie A behind Ronaldo and far above players like Higuain, Dybala etc.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

So it's fine for journalists to report absurd mistakes if they thought it was a reliable info without doing basic journalistic work? I mean how can anyone with a serious knowledge of football could think for one second than Juventus would give Ramsey the second highest salary in Serie A behind Ronaldo and far above players like Higuain, Dybala etc.

Because they are moving into a new economic dimension and because Ramsey moved on a free he commands a higher salary than if he was just transferred. I’d guess the source may have been talking about equivalent salary in England given the low tax in Italy now for high earners.

 

[arthurka]

I miss him and so did we, remember when we played Pereira in midfield..

 

[Oly Francis]

Because they are moving into a new economic dimension and because Ramsey moved on a free he commands a higher salary than if he was just transferred. I’d guess the source may have been talking about equivalent salary in England given the low tax in Italy now for high earners.

You can twist it any way you want, 7M net will never amount to 23M gross, even with the highest taxes in the world. They got it plain wrong and didn't think for one second that it would be a good idea to use common sense.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

You can twist it any way you want, 7M net will never amount to 23M gross, even with the highest taxes in the world. They got it plain wrong and didn't think for one second that it would be a good idea to use common sense.

Relax, it’s not a big deal. He reported what he was told by Ramsey’s camp. What I was getting at is that for an English club to match it they would have to pay something like £400k a week because of the tax rates in Italy.

I work out that on a £250k salary he’d take home about £195k a week in Italy Under their current tax laws. To take home that in the UK you’d have to earn about £360k a week which is about £18m a year.

 

[crossy1686]

Nah, id be happy with an experienced player we've desperately missed playing a key role in a young side. But hey, if you want to pretend we've somehow not got worse at controlling games that's up to you.

Herrera was best when played as a spoiler, and not very often put in decent performances at that. We’ve not controlled games because we’ve missed Pogba, not Herrera. Paying him what he wanted would have been absolute stupidity for what he offers. McTomminay replaces him overnight.

 

[Devil81]

Yes. And 547 mins combined, so he's actually been used more than Cavani who has had 455

You make it sound good by using Cavani as a yardstick. The fact they tried in vain to get rid of Cavani in January suggests he's not the player to use as a comparison.

I was never arsed about him leaving to be fair, he was a clear sign of the current problem at the club, bang average player who worked hard and fans thought he was good. Fair enough he tried when he played but the reality is he's Everton/Bilbao standard at best. Hence why Moyes was mad keen on him.

 

[DWelbz19]

The highlight was probably winning the Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year. Or being a key player in our FA Cup win or Europa League win.

Thread is rife with recency bias. It’s bizarre. Herrera wasn’t some elite player, but he was definitely a key component in the last time this club did anything of value.

People laughing him off by making comparisons to Fred - who has had a half alright season whilst we sit 41 points behind the league leaders - is even more bizarre.

 

[ivaldo]

Herrera was best when played as a spoiler, and not very often put in decent performances at that. We’ve not controlled games because we’ve missed Pogba, not Herrera. Paying him what he wanted would have been absolute stupidity for what he offers. McTomminay replaces him overnight.

Except he did. The statistics that support this is overwhelming.

It's just a coincidence we invariably played better when he was in the side then. Just look at how important he was last season to Ole, both in and out of the side.

 

[JPRouve]

You make it sound good by using Cavani as a yardstick. The fact they tried in vain to get rid of Cavani in January suggests he's not the player to use as a comparison.

I was never arsed about him leaving to be fair, he was a clear sign of the current problem at the club, bang average player who worked hard and fans thought he was good. Fair enough he tried when he played but the reality is he's Everton/Bilbao standard at best. Hence why Moyes was mad keen on him.

PSG didn't try to get rid of Cavani, they actually prevented him from doing so. But it's true that he isn't the player that he was, he has been injured a lot and isn't in Tuchel's plans as a starter.

 

[youngrell]

Ander was a lot better than some of you are giving him credit for. He used to win the ball back for us several times a game and was always neat in possession, tactically very good and contributed a goal or assist now and then.

He basically did what Fred does now with about half the energy expended.

 

[Ekeke]

You make it sound good by using Cavani as a yardstick. The fact they tried in vain to get rid of Cavani in January suggests he's not the player to use as a comparison.

I was never arsed about him leaving to be fair, he was a clear sign of the current problem at the club, bang average player who worked hard and fans thought he was good. Fair enough he tried when he played but the reality is he's Everton/Bilbao standard at best. Hence why Moyes was mad keen on him.

Well he was someone we were linked with as an upgrade, so its almost as if some squad players at PSG who havent played much are still upgrades to us. Cavani is one of those

 

[lsd]

The highlight was probably winning the Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year. Or being a key player in our FA Cup win or Europa League win.

Not really . When i hear his name the first thing comes to mind is always Noble carrying him off the pitch like a baby

 

[Irwin99]

Some people really don’t like that he was a good player for us.

It is bizarre. You could genuinely make a case for him being one of our best signings in the post SAF era (that really is not saying much I know)

As good as Fred has been at times this season I don't think he's been as good as Herrera when he was at his best for us.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

Anyone know how he's done this season at PSG?
Wikipedia says 8 appearances. Might need to be updated.
I assume he hasn't really pulled up trees.

 

[bucky]

Anyone know how he's done this season at PSG?
Wikipedia says 8 appearances. Might need to be updated.
I assume he hasn't really pulled up trees.

Mostly been injured.

 

[ivaldo]

Anyone know how he's done this season at PSG?
Wikipedia says 8 appearances. Might need to be updated.
I assume he hasn't really pulled up trees.

Been injured for the majority of the season.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Been injured for the majority of the season.

Yep. He is out until late April I think with a thigh injury.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Even when he was fit, he was behind Parades and that 17 year old in the pecking order.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Him choosing to leave was a blessing in disguise

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Him choosing to leave was a blessing in disguise

Absolutely.

 

[christian bennett]

I do rate him but We haven't actually missed him have we?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

As good as Fred has been at times this season I don't think he's been as good as Herrera when he was at his best for us.

Of course he has.

Herrera reminds me of Gabby Heinze, a decent player for us but overrated to feck because of his attitude.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Of course he has.

Herrera reminds me of Gabby Heinze, a decent player for us but overrated to feck because of his attitude.

Fred is attitude as well, if he didn't run so hard he'd be pretty gash in my opinion.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I do rate him but We haven't actually missed him have we?

Well we can't really say that when our biggest issue appeared to be filling out our midfield with Lingard or Andreas.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Fred is attitude as well, if he didn't run so hard he'd be pretty gash in my opinion.

Most chances created for Manchester United this season was the stat on commentary today.

Not sure I can trust that by the way, but I disagree, Fred is a very good player.