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CallyRed

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After watching the game again, and putting together a concise and detailed analysis of his performance, I have come to the conclusion that he was, and is, cack.
 

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I appreciate your high level summary of saying he is shit along with a couple others in the team. Your bolded part reminded me that there is a #4 point to be made regarding his absolute brain fart. Here’s the clip:


Now.. you’re a CM. Watch the clip and notice how he runs from center into the exact spot AWB was passing - great. Once again you’re a CM - why on earth would you think it’s a good idea that you’re going to make some dummy/ghost run down a channel when you’re a pivotal CM in a 2 man midfield? Like at what point did he think he was going to carry the ball down the channel?? Did he think he was #10? His responsibility there is to provide AWB a safe outlet and retain possession with responsibility. His little dummy/shift in the last millisecond as the pass was coming at him can be clumped under horrible awareness and poor first touch technique. How you set up your body for a pass requires intelligence.

5 years we’ve been saying this kid has a shocking lack of general intelligence. Every coach we’ve had has picked up on it and kept him far away from responsibility. Except Ole.
Bolded part: I agree with you, but we have seen this happen with McT and Fred this season as well. This is still a good point, but it is more down to our instructions or lack thereof than on Pereira in this particular case. But then again there are two additional points that complicate this issue of blame and whether I'm "wright".

1. None of our players know what the other player will do given that we have no overall approach on how to play. All we do when on the ball is more or less up to each player and us creating a chance is down multiple random interactions that happen to coincide over a short amount of time. Did Pereira know what he should do in that case? Did AWB know what he should do in that scenario? The only one doing the right thing prior to that pass was Lindelof when offering a deep option.

2. Pereira moving into that channel was either to be a passing option or draw attention to himself as a player. Having studied the clip previously it is obvious that passing to Pereira in that situation would create a 2vs3 situation beneficial to SU. Pereira's movement to run up the pitch might have been initiated to take one player with him and make the space less congested with SU players. Passing the ball to Pereira, regardless, should not have been done. Passing it back to Lindelof and recycle the ball to the other end of the pitch would have been the sensible thing to do... And if we had some sort of coaching on how to play football, this would have been the likely outcome.

I'm not going to argue that Pereira is blameless in the situation, given that a tactical foul after losing the ball or indicating that he would make a run up the pitch would make it easier for AWB, but the pass should have been made towards Lindelof.
 

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Even Garner or a CB out of position would do better. Lingard got subbed on there in a position hes never played in and did loads better. Pereira is an awful footballer with no awareness or intelligence on the pitch. Just not cut out for this level in the premier league.
Garner isn't ready, out of positions CB's who aren't even good at playing CB? wow

And Lingard wasn't loads better - he's also atrocious.

I agree Periera isn't the best, but for yesterdays game Ole literally had no other option but to play him
 

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Garner isn't ready, out of positions CB's who aren't even good at playing CB? wow

And Lingard wasn't loads better - he's also atrocious.

I agree Periera isn't the best, but for yesterdays game Ole literally had no other option but to play him
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I haven't an issue with this; it's the way we set up. Ole hasn't a clue how to get the best out of players like Pereira. Meanwhile, our ex player Norwood outshone him. It comes down to crap coaching, let's be honest
 

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@Fosu-Mens The issue is he keeps running towards AWB and closes the gap way beyond what he needed to. At approximately 9 seconds in the video he was in the perfect position, he was in good space, a decent distance away from AWB to give him an option but not crowd him.

AWB looks up and passes to him, but Pereira instead of stopping in the same place, starts running towards him, which ends up doing 2 things;

1. Makes the weight of pass from AWB seem harder than it should of been, or inaccurate

2. Makes the reaction times needed to control the pass a lot harder, thus why he ends up taking a stretched heavy touch.

I think a lot of it comes down to tactics to be honest, the coaching staff should never have let us play a 2 man midfield, especially with a pair of light weight, not very athletic midfielders. Barcelona would never have played a 2 man midfield of Xavi/Iniesta. Expecting Pereira to suddenly play in that position and do well was asking too much.

We really should have put Jones/Tuanzebe behind them as a bit of an enforcer, but I guess we expected to be on the front foot and they'd be more defensive. I think their pressing caught us by surprise.
 

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@Fosu-Mens The issue is he keeps running towards AWB and closes the gap way beyond what he needed to. At approximately 9 seconds in the video he was in the perfect position, he was in good space, a decent distance away from AWB to give him an option but not crowd him.

AWB looks up and passes to him, but Pereira instead of stopping in the same place, starts running towards him, which ends up doing 2 things;

1. Makes the weight of pass from AWB seem harder than it should of been, or inaccurate

2. Makes the reaction times needed to control the pass a lot harder, thus why he ends up taking a stretched heavy touch.

I think a lot of it comes down to tactics to be honest, the coaching staff should never have let us play a 2 man midfield, especially with a pair of light weight, not very athletic midfielders. Barcelona would never have played a 2 man midfield of Xavi/Iniesta. Expecting Pereira to suddenly play in that position and do well was asking too much.

We really should have put Jones/Tuanzebe behind them as a bit of an enforcer, but I guess we expected to be on the front foot and they'd be more defensive. I think their pressing caught us by surprise.
I disagree with playing someone out of position.

If we were caught surprise by they're pressing them we need to seriously consider how we approach games. I'm in no way a professional but from watching Sheffield United on MOTD im fully aware they play with a high energy press.

I think the issue was player application rather than set up. Our midfield / back 4 were so sluggish and error prone. They bullied us into mistakes.

I'd comment on our front 3 but they only bothered to show up for 15 mins or so
 

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I disagree with playing someone out of position.

If we were caught surprise by they're pressing them we need to seriously consider how we approach games. I'm in no way a professional but from watching Sheffield United on MOTD im fully aware they play with a high energy press.

I think the issue was player application rather than set up. Our midfield / back 4 were so sluggish and error prone. They bullied us into mistakes.

I'd comment on our front 3 but they only bothered to show up for 15 mins or so

Depends who it is. Someone like Spadey can play multiple positions up top, but probably would struggle as a CDM.
 

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I haven't an issue with this; it's the way we set up. Ole hasn't a clue how to get the best out of players like Pereira. Meanwhile, our ex player Norwood outshone him. It comes down to crap coaching, let's be honest
Nah, I think on this one it's just that Pereira is fecking shite.
 

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@Fosu-Mens The issue is he keeps running towards AWB and closes the gap way beyond what he needed to. At approximately 9 seconds in the video he was in the perfect position, he was in good space, a decent distance away from AWB to give him an option but not crowd him.

AWB looks up and passes to him, but Pereira instead of stopping in the same place, starts running towards him, which ends up doing 2 things;

1. Makes the weight of pass from AWB seem harder than it should of been, or inaccurate

2. Makes the reaction times needed to control the pass a lot harder, thus why he ends up taking a stretched heavy touch.

I think a lot of it comes down to tactics to be honest, the coaching staff should never have let us play a 2 man midfield, especially with a pair of light weight, not very athletic midfielders. Barcelona would never have played a 2 man midfield of Xavi/Iniesta. Expecting Pereira to suddenly play in that position and do well was asking too much.

We really should have put Jones/Tuanzebe behind them as a bit of an enforcer, but I guess we expected to be on the front foot and they'd be more defensive. I think their pressing caught us by surprise.
When you do not have any instructions on how to play, pass or move in general, then players are more likely to make mistakes. Especially when they are not experienced or among the more intelligent players...
 

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When you do not have any instructions on how to play, pass or move in general, then players are more likely to make mistakes. Especially when they are not experienced or among the more intelligent players...
It's not fair to blame the coach if a player lacks the intelligence. Though in all fairness Ole needs to take the blame for not sending this lad packing to U-18s and then on the way out.

He is the most dimwitted player that I have seen in 17 years of following Man Utd. Someone who was slightly close was Anderson but then he had far better skills than Andreas.
 

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I haven't an issue with this; it's the way we set up. Ole hasn't a clue how to get the best out of players like Pereira. Meanwhile, our ex player Norwood outshone him. It comes down to crap coaching, let's be honest
Ever think it might just be that Pereira is fecking crap? He's nearly 24 and no manager at any stage has been able to get consistent performances from him. He was ok at best at Granada, couldn't get into the team at Valencia and has been shite for United under Mourinho and Solskjaer.

There's a difference between coaching and being expected to turn shit into gold.
 

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The worst player to have ever started so many games for us. Starting again in midfield. Garbage player and for the life of me I can't understand how he's starting.
 

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Why wait for the inevitable to happen...

Was awful again today against Aston Villa. Should have been subbed much earlier
 

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Was awful again today against Aston Villa. Should have been subbed much earlier
 

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I fecking hate him (on the pitch for United). Go somewhere else. Like the championship which is more his level.
 

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Can’t pass, can’t hold the ball, slow to release the ball, can’t win the ball and all he knows is give a foul away. McTominay knows how to win the ball back and launch counter attack but this guy is just awful, we can’t counter as per usual if all he does is giving fouls away.
 

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First goal was the only bright thing in yet another embarrassing performance.
 

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Great cross for the goal, also several nice passes into the hole for players. Needs to do better with his discipline and not give away as many freekicks. And Fred did the large majority of the defending of the two so he can do more there too. I dont think Pogba would have closed down any better against Grealish for the goal
 

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Poor again. He was leaving Fred so isolated all through the game. If only we could sub him on and off for every corner.
 

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Great cross for the goal, also several nice passes into the hole for players. Needs to do better with his discipline and not give away as many freekicks. And Fred did the large majority of the defending of the two so he can do more there too. I dont think Pogba would have closed down any better against Grealish for the goal
Wow..
 

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Must have something over Ole that's forcing him to play. The guy is garbage as a footballer and should drop down to the championship where he would fit in more. He's just nowhere near good enough.
 

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We have to buy a CM in january ffs. Can't keep playing him cause of zero squad depth
 

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Once again. it shows the utter ineptitude of the board to offer him a new contract last year.
 

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Has moments of quality but is far too sloppy in general play. Not his fault he's playing as we literally have no-one else in midfield at the moment and he's a better 10 than the dossers Mata and Lingard.
 

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Good assist, utterly useless outside of that. He cant tackle, he cant dribble, he cant pass.

Hes among the worst players i have ever seen play for us, and thats not an exaggeration
It's an exaggeration. He's not good enough to be playing for a top Manchester United team no. We are Manchester United the mid table team though and if that's what we aspire to be then he fits in just about right. Doesn't help that we don't really look like we have a clue what to do apart from give the ball to Rashford or James then hope they do something with it. We're an absolute disaster.
 

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His cross that resulted in Heaton's own goal after Rashford's header hit the post, was one of the few moments of quality from us. Lindelof's header for the 2nd goal, being the only other that I noticed. Rest of Pereira's performance was ordinary.
 

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He's terrible in the midfield, isn't he? We need one of our midfielders back so that Pereira can go back to #10 where he is at least an improvement over Mata and Lingard (not exactly high praise). Of course the hope is that once he's back Pogba will take over that role himself, as none of those three are anywhere near good enough.
 

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Has moments of quality but is far too sloppy in general play. Not his fault he's playing as we literally have no-one else in midfield at the moment and he's a better 10 than the dossers Mata and Lingard.
I'm not sure about the last part but his effort and crosses/set pieces are good enough that he's a pretty classic archetypal lower end of the Prem or La Liga quality player despite his other weaknesses, but definitely not good enough for a top 6 team.
 

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He's terrible in the midfield, isn't he? We need one of our midfielders back so that Pereira can go back to #10 where he is at least an improvement over Mata and Lingard (not exactly high praise). Of course the hope is that once he's back Pogba will take over that role himself, as none of those three are anywhere near good enough.
Pereira isn't close to Lingard even as a 10.
 

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Jose knew that this guy wasn't United quality. He's got a great cross on him, takes a decent set piece but there's just not enough there to recommend him for any particular role. Jack of all trades, master of none.
 

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Jose knew that this guy wasn't United quality. He's got a great cross on him, takes a decent set piece but there's just not enough there to recommend him for any particular role. Jack of all trades, master of none.
He can cross the ball very well as we saw today, but he's still not good at it in my eyes since he hits 9 bad crosses for every good one. He's got the United syndrome where he hits it right to the feet of the defender at the first post, and then once every now and then it actually goes where he wants it.

It doesn't matter though since even if he could cross the ball well he's just not good enough to play in the PL and it's become blatantly obvious over the past couple of months.