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Rule of law in its modern form is a UK invention.
The industrial revolution is extremely tied to Britain. It started in Britain and many of the inventions were made in Britain.
Liberalism was founded by John Locke and its economics nailed down by Adam Smith.
Advances may come from there, but none of those only originated there or absolutely needed the UK to develop. The UK just happened to be in the right spot to be the catalyst. That doesn't mean the world should thank the UK for it.
Have you ever asked yourself why Britain got the status it had in the world in the 19th century after the fall of Napoleon? Did it just happen by chance?
You're not supposing having a huge global empire would have played a role in that, do you?
Jordan Peterson is defintely not a right wing guy. He is just not a part of the modern lunacy left nor the marxist. But he is definitely way to left to be considered a right wing guy. He detests several of the right wing movements (and rightly so, I might add) such as the alt-right, neo nazis etc.. He is certainly not a libertarian either.
There is a lot of space between Marxism and the alt-right. In that space, there is a centre somewhere, and Peterson clearly sits to the right of it. I don't know his economic views, but in terms of social issues, he's clearly right-of-centre.
If you think Manchester is a shithole to live in right now I can recommend you move to Afghanistan, Honduras, Haiti, Democratic Republic of the Kongo, Central African Republic, Mali, North Korea etc. for a little while to see what poverty really is.
Again, there is something between the absolutes. Just because living in Haiti might not be fun, doesn't mean that every place that's less ruined will please everyone. Except if you want to have a semantic discussion, and argue that she really meant 'shithole' literally; but surely you have seen people exaggerate for rhetorical effect before.
 

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By promoting capitalism, liberalism, rule of law, enlightenment, industrialisation etc.
I have not only been talking about values, but also of aspects of cultural influence. Rule of law is certainly based on a set of values, for instance that all is equal to the law. There are also values in the Enlightenment, free speech for instance.

"All is equal to the law" as a value can be found in the bible or ancient China, neither of which are Anglo-Saxon.

Rule of law in its modern form is a UK invention.

Yes, because the UK spread its current incarnation (by force) across the world. Chicken and egg. You're also aware the UK's modern form wasn't invented in a vacuum? The British were building upon a Christian interpretation of Mosaic law, which was influenced by the Babylonian code of Hammurabi, etc.

The industrial revolution is extremely tied to Britain. It started in Britain and many of the inventions were made in Britain.

Correct, but your mistaken if you think the British spread it and helped other countries by doing so. Industrialization on a mass scale in the former colonies only started after the British fecked off. Meaning the British had the aim of stopping any independent industrialization efforts. You want to take a guess as to why?
This point has been made in relation to India numerous times. If your point is the British helped spread industrialization by inventing it, the British would need to do a lot more thanking than the other way around.


Liberalism was founded by John Locke and its economics nailed down by Adam Smith.

Do I really have to explain how the population being sliced in half in some of the protectorates is a good indication liberalism wasn't being promoted?

Modern capitalism, which you've cited as being part of the "anglo-saxon cultural influence" first appeared in it's modern form in the Italian city states. Even the full fledged version of capitalism you might be referring to originated in the Netherlands. Not exactly "anglo-saxon".


Have you ever asked yourself why Britain got the status it had in the world in the 19th century after the fall of Napoleon? Did it just happen by chance?

Funny that you mentioned Napoleon. France had a much more prominent role in the spread of the ideas of the enlightenment.

Jordan Peterson is defintely not a right wing guy. He is just not a part of the modern lunacy left nor the marxist. But he is definitely way to left to be considered a right wing guy. He detests several of the right wing movements (and rightly so, I might add) such as the alt-right, neo nazis etc.. He is certainly not a libertarian either.

You say he's "way to left", but he's labeled himself a traditionalist and a classic liberal. The first one is deeply (Christian) conservative, while the latter is a 19th century ideology, which kind of implies he doesn't accept all the social and political advancements to more mainstream liberalism that have taking place since then. Things like universal suffrage and the expansion of civil rights. Classical liberal is a good way to duck the question on your politics. It has no meaning in a 21st century context.

If you think Manchester is a shithole to live in right now I can recommend you move to Afghanistan, Honduras, Haiti, Democratic Republic of the Kongo, Central African Republic, Mali, North Korea etc. for a little while to see what poverty really is.

Funny you named a lot of countries that had the honour of having their culture influenced by the Anglo-Saxons.
Today we have wealth in large parts of the world. There are very few really poor countries today. That is because of these values. Before the industrial revolution and the age of enlightenment there was only poverty. Even the rich had no wealth in terms of science, doctors etc.
Everything except your first sentence in the paragraph above is false. The exact opposite of each of these statements is true.
 

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What he clearly said was that he has understanding for why people hold different political views, if not always respect, but not for libertarians. Not that he doesn't understand libertarianism. Which is perfectly reasonable given the libertarian brain rot that's so prevalent online.

Not sure why I'm running defense for @Pexbo, he's a big boy, but anyway.
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My point wasn't semantic. There's much to admire/respect about Libertarianism if you do understand it, even if you disagree with it. If you can't find anything to respect about Libertarianism, you clearly don't understand it.
 
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Everything except your first sentence in the paragraph above is false. The exact opposite of each of these statements is true.
What the feck even is anglo-saxon culture? Why this fetish for a bunch of semi-successful warlords who lost power about 1000 years ago?

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My point wasn't semantic. There's much to admire/respect about Libertarianism if you do understand it, even if you disagree with it. If you can't find anything to respect about Libertarianism, you clearly don't understand it.
There is a more reasoned libertarianism that exists, but nowadays it's pretty much overwhelmed on every social platforms by idiots and cynics who say that it's basically a political way to justify absolute selfishness, Ayn Rand style.

Libertarian thought made sense in the old west. It doesn't really offer many solutions to issues of the present.
 

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My point wasn't semantic. There's much to admire/respect about Libertarianism if you do understand it, even if you disagree with it. If you can't find anything to respect about Libertarianism, you clearly don't understand it.
There is nothing to admire about modern libertarianism. It's dead in the water. It's a bit like the (conservative) people calling themselves classical liberals nowadays; there's a lot of interesting things about people like Mill and Bastiat, that doesn't mean that these guys in the 21st century are worth anything. Modern libertarians are rich people who wants to pay less in taxes, Randians, Hoppeans, Austrians, ancaps that haven't even graduated beyond the NAP, fascists and conservatives playing dress-up, preppers. Nothing of value.
 

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What the feck even is anglo-saxon culture? Why this fetish for a bunch of semi-successful warlords who lost power about 1000 years ago?
Because the term encompasses the culture of both the British and American ruling class and "fetishizing" it justifies both British colonialism and US imperialism.
Libertarian thought made sense in the old west.
Yeah, for white people.
 

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If someone thinks Jordan Peterson is leftist, then they’re probably a fascist.

Anyways, I don’t quite like when Angel Di Maria taunted United supporters. Not cool!
 

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From the same interview he called Florentino "the little guy" :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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Falcao was on loan with option to buy, because signing him was a big risk after he did his ACL. I'm 99% sure he did not get a raise by going to United, we just paid Monaco a hefty loan fee.

Most of LVG's signings were terrible. Shaw was the only good one, and I think that deal was done prior to his appointment. We got some mileage out of Herrera, Blind and Romero. They were decent.

The average Caf transfer muppet could've done a better a job with 200m. And that not being a exaggeration is the sad reality.

Fellaini hoofball still gives me nightmares :(
Yea.. For 200M i would just buy messi at 100mil the then record fee and remaining as his wages and compensate with the new sponsorships. My tactics would be park messi as shadow striker keep RVP as number 9, the rest all hustlers. i would have been klopp of my time. Also football manager.
 

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Ffs can we please get back to insulting this cnut, or at the very least have a reasoned debate about why I'm so beautiful?!
 

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Ffs can we please get back to insulting this cnut, or at the very least have a reasoned debate about why I'm so beautiful?!
Scotland have the best bird baths in the world. You're not even particularly beautiful, it's just grooming.
 

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Bayern players literally quit on Van Gaal in the middle of a CL tie they were cruising

He might be fine with national teams, i dunno, we'll see, but at club level he's absolutely not a manager fit for a big club anymore, hasn't been since the 90s really. His first season at bayern worked because they'd been frankly crap for years before him. And he only lasted 1 years before everybody got fed up and kicked him out
I believe you missed my point
 

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Who else is in the same group with this rat in being despised by every one of his clubs.

Di Maria, Icardi ?

Tevez is hated by half and liked by other half of his teams.
 

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Its a bit rich for a woman to call anything ugly when she wakes up to that rat faced little gobshite every day
 

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Yeah I hate Di Maria but LVG was fecking disastrous for us.

I’ve said before many times that imo he was the most detrimental appointment we made since SAF retired, including Moyes and Mourinho obviously.

Shite style of play, took us in totally the wrong direction, signed shite players to fit that system, bored us to death every game. Put us back further than the other two did.
Yeah I'd say he was but I also blame the club too for giving him too much free reign on transfers, we've only managed to ship out the last of the shite he bought in the last 18-24 months.

20+ players left the club during the first 18 months of his tenure. 20 players basically in one go that's an entire squad to replace in in a short period of time so no wonder he bought any shite in to make up numbers. There were cases to be made for any of those players to leave but not all of them in one go, it was madness by the club to allow him to do it.

And I could be wrong because I can't remember where I read it but I think he said in an interview a few years back that he just wanted rid of as many SAF players as quickly as possible so there was no chance people could say he won stuff with Fergusons players/team.
 

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Mourinho actively started beef with the players, there is no one more toxic than him, whereas LVG was just stubborn. He also did not get many signings that he actually wanted, like Muller, Lewa, Mane, Kante, etc. So in that aspect, a very inexperienced Woodward was equally to blame for the squad building.
I'm very sceptical about that list of players. Yeah LVG wanted Muller but that was never likely to happen.

Lewandowski had already agreed to join Bayern just before Van Gaal took over so we couldn't have signed him.

Mane had just moved to Southampton and was there for the 2 years Louis was in charge if he'd wanted him I'm sure we could have got him in 2014 or 2015.

And Kante was at Caen when LVG came and moved to Leicester a year later, again if we'd wanted him I'm sure we could have managed it in 2014 or 2015.
 

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Yeah I'd say he was but I also blame the club too for giving him too much free reign on transfers, we've only managed to ship out the last of the shite he bought in the last 18-24 months.

20+ players left the club during the first 18 months of his tenure. 20 players basically in one go that's an entire squad to replace in in a short period of time so no wonder he bought any shite in to make up numbers. There were cases to be made for any of those players to leave but not all of them in one go, it was madness by the club to allow him to do it.

And I could be wrong because I can't remember where I read it but I think he said in an interview a few years back that he just wanted rid of as many SAF players as quickly as possible so there was no chance people could say he won stuff with Fergusons players/team.
Yeah totally agree, on the bolded I remember hearing something along those lines as well, which if true shows his ego isn’t much smaller than Mourinho’s either.

Disastrous appointment.
 

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I believe you missed my point
No i didn't. Van Gaal was a poor choice no matter what basis he might build in terms of playing style because he couldn't last more than a season before the players mutinied against him. And then proved to be an even worse choice when they gave him near full power in squad building

What United needed after Moyes failed was to modernize the whole structure of the club. Even had Vangle succeded in instilling a playing indentity the club wanted to keep, they'd have had to find somebody else good enough for this level who shared it pretty much the following year
 

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No i didn't. Van Gaal was a poor choice no matter what basis he might build in terms of playing style because he couldn't last more than a season before the players mutinied against him. And then proved to be an even worse choice when they gave him near full power in squad building

What United needed after Moyes failed was to modernize the whole structure of the club. Even had Vangle succeded in instilling a playing indentity the club wanted to keep, they'd have had to find somebody else good enough for this level who shared it pretty much the following year
We should have gone for Klopp. As much as I find him annoying.
 

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No i didn't. Van Gaal was a poor choice no matter what basis he might build in terms of playing style because he couldn't last more than a season before the players mutinied against him. And then proved to be an even worse choice when they gave him near full power in squad building

What United needed after Moyes failed was to modernize the whole structure of the club. Even had Vangle succeded in instilling a playing indentity the club wanted to keep, they'd have had to find somebody else good enough for this level who shared it pretty much the following year
That's true in a way but still wasn't really what I meant. I thought that United appointing van Gaal meant that the club finally wanted to install an overarching playing philosophy. Whether or not van Gaal was the best appointment to do so is a different question. But Mourinho as his successor is on the other side of extremes, so I was a bit disappointed that they didn't continue with the plan they had in mind when appointing him.
 

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That's true in a way but still wasn't really what I meant. I thought that United appointing van Gaal meant that the club finally wanted to install an overarching playing philosophy. Whether or not van Gaal was the best appointment to do so is a different question. But Mourinho as his successor is on the other side of extremes, so I was a bit disappointed that they didn't continue with the plan they had in mind when appointing him.
United were looking for someone to come in and take charge and manage the club for 5+ years
 

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United were looking for someone to come in and take charge and manage the club for 5+ years
I assume that's the case with most managerial appointments. A club obviously wants a manager to stay for as long as possible since that means he's achieving the goals they set. Anyway, quite often you find yourself in a situation in which you have to sack the coach. The question is do you stick with the overarching plan or do you throw it away and follow a completely dfferent path? United did the latter and IMO it indicates that it was never about the playing philosophy for them (possession oriented football) but about his merits, same with Mourinho.
 

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That's true in a way but still wasn't really what I meant. I thought that United appointing van Gaal meant that the club finally wanted to install an overarching playing philosophy. Whether or not van Gaal was the best appointment to do so is a different question. But Mourinho as his successor is on the other side of extremes, so I was a bit disappointed that they didn't continue with the plan they had in mind when appointing him.
LVG was only appointed because he was the only big name available on free this summer. There's nothing more into it. Tell me what other names were available on free for United to appoint back then ?
 

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If Di Maria was 26 again and rejoined us today I think Ole's United would suit him to the ground. I blame LvG for it all going wrong then.

So i dislike the bloke less than most, but Christ every few months he's slamming United. He's rich and successful enough to have moved on. Maybe he actually wanted to make it work here and feels let down by the club.
 

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LVG was only appointed because he was the only big name available on free this summer. There's nothing more into it. Tell me what other names were available on free for United to appoint back then ?
Yes, it is clear now that they only appointed him because of his name but at the time I hoped they did because they wanted his philosophy to become the overarching philosophy of the club. Van Gaal is a differenttype of manager than, say, Mourinho, Ancelotti or Allegri. He's more idealistic in his means. I expected the club putting him in charge did so because they had a long term plan but apparently they didn't.

And no idea who else was available back then.
 

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If Di Maria was 26 again and rejoined us today I think Ole's United would suit him to the ground. I blame LvG for it all going wrong then.

So i dislike the bloke less than most, but Christ every few months he's slamming United. He's rich and successful enough to have moved on. Maybe he actually wanted to make it work here and feels let down by the club.
The problem in the season he spent here is that he was supposed to be part of a good attacking partnership with Rooney and Van Persie but after 2013-14 the performances of these two declined in a massive way.

So, Di Maria ended up having to get all the creative burden of the team on himself and with Van Gaal's coaching style, it obviously didn't work out.

He came off a team where he had peak Ronaldo peak Modric and peak Bale helping him with sharing the creativity and it suited him, he never quite wanted to leave Madrid.

I think he has done fairly well at PSG and now with Messi and Neymar together, when Di Maria plays well he will receive praise and when he doesn't play well these two will likely help the team.
 

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If Di Maria was 26 again and rejoined us today I think Ole's United would suit him to the ground. I blame LvG for it all going wrong then.

So i dislike the bloke less than most, but Christ every few months he's slamming United. He's rich and successful enough to have moved on. Maybe he actually wanted to make it work here and feels let down by the club.
Of course he does. He feels let down by the management, probably the owners for not doing more to support with the robbery, and also the fans.

Initially he had no issues with the fans, or the club, and he wrote an open letter to the fans of United. He said nothing but nice things to the fans in the open letter, but they still made his life hell for no reason. Booed him in the PSG game and that's when he became like this.
 

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Fan: I fecking hate di Maria that snake
Fan 2: oh, why man?
Fan: erm, uh, I feckING HATE DI MARIA THAT SNAKE
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Fan: I HATE DI MARIA THAT SNAKE UREGHRHEHEHHH
 

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Of course he does. He feels let down by the management, probably the owners for not doing more to support with the robbery, and also the fans.

Initially he had no issues with the fans, or the club, and he wrote an open letter to the fans of United. He said nothing but nice things to the fans in the open letter, but they still made his life hell for no reason. Booed him in the PSG game and that's when he became like this.
Are you really that naive? He didn’t want to move here. He was sold to us by Madrid because we offered more than PSG and he wasn’t happy with it.

So from the start his heart wasn’t in it and he wasn’t prepared to overcome any sort of adversity to make it work here. He was weak as piss and disinterested and engineered a move away.

He’s had his say many times since he left and funnily enough it paints the image that everyone but him at United was the problem. He’s never owned the fact that he didn’t put anywhere near the required effort to succeed here, yes the conditions weren’t perfect for him but man the feck up and make it work or admit some fault for it not working out.
 

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Fan: I fecking hate di Maria that snake
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Fan: erm, uh, I feckING HATE DI MARIA THAT SNAKE
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Fan: I HATE DI MARIA THAT SNAKE UREGHRHEHEHHH
Yes that's exactly how things are... and not the fact that he treats us with contempt every time he plays or talks about us. Most United fans didn't even hate him when he left. He just can't seem to get over his own failures.
 

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Fan: I fecking hate di Maria that snake
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Fan: erm, uh, I feckING HATE DI MARIA THAT SNAKE
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Serious question: do you remember his time here at all?
 

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I think an apology is in order. Sorry for derailing the thread.

So Di Maria huh. The only way I see him getting into that line up is in a more defensive role. I hope Poch gives all him all kinds of LVG esque assignments :drool:

Yes that's exactly how things are... and not the fact that he treats us with contempt every time he plays or talks about us. Most United fans didn't even hate him when he left. He just can't seem to get over his own failures.
The way I remember it he got a lotta of flack for forcing his move away by not showing up? I wasn't too bothered by it since we got most of our money back and we had bigger disappointments (like not qualifying for the CL IIRC).
 

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Serious question: do you remember his time here at all?
I do. He was brilliant in those first games. Then the Leicester game (where he scored) but then capitulated. And LVG went from playing really good attacking football to totally defensive and boring. And that was Di Maria done. Shame. A real what could've been. Woulda been perfect for Jose too. But because of the whole not wanting to come thing, people forget how he was at the start and only remember how he was after LVG basically cut off his legs and prevented him playing the way he was supposed to when we bought him.