Didn't play Vs Fulham, if you mean the West Ham game did he not score?
I watch the game, he was running the show, the second half before he was injured West Ham had like two players on him.
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I watch the game, he was running the show, the second half before he was injured West Ham had like two players on him.
I agree that it was right not to sub him on.
Still, seeing Mata ahead of him in the pecking order is disheartening.
It's not a massive surprise early on in the season. Always takes some rotation in smaller games first for the others to make their mark before they work their way ahead of the experienced guys in bigger games. None of that is very surprising, my main criticism before the game was going with Pereira wide when he never proved to be reliable as anything.
Hope he starts mid week (rather than just gets minutes). Would be better than trying to catch up to the pace of a game.
Everyone including himself said he had a poor game.
53 pages
. What will happen when he actually starts to play?
. What will happen when he actually starts to play?What's to say he's of much lesser quality? He's of much lesser experience, but quality wise, he looks as good as anyone in our squad.
Was the captain of the England U23 side recently that contained some seriously good players. I watch a lot of the youth games and I think he is absolute class. Cant understand why Ole doesnt give him a go
He’s the biggest talent at United for years, it’s no wonder people are keen to see him for the first team!53 pages
Imagine Pogba playing in the youth teams.
The next few weeks is where I expect him to get quite a few matches now that the cups are starting. The questions are whether Ole will have him starting or only coming off the bench, and if he performs better than Mata/Lingard/Pereira have been will he start getting chances ahead of them in the league matches?
This doesn't make any sense. He's ready, he should be played irrespective of the circumstances. I didn't realise September was such a special month mate.
With you on this. Don't need to get pissy now but if he still doesn't get significant minutes in the carabao and Europa I would be concerned
I'll believe that when I see it
The world cup winner who is 26? I watched Pogba in the youth teams when he was 17/18, he was no more impressive than Gomes.
I didnt think he made the step up to U23s yet? Either way, he's an exceptional talent, probably our biggest since Ravel.
Yeah, the 26 year old. If people are willing to get rid of the 26 year old world cup winner as long as we find a replacement, then why the fuss over Gomes?
"Its September" what kind of weird ass logic is that, how isnt September for some others.
I remember exactly how pissed off I was when Pogba left, especially since Ravel left at the same time. I was distraught. Whilst I don't want Pogba to leave either, it seems far less preventable, getting Gomes to stay is easy. All you have to do is play him. He is a lad brought up in Manchester, he's been at the club since he was 6 and his godfather is Nani. I'd be annoyed if Pogba left, even though I see that as more of a certainty than anything, but I'd be out right disgusted if Gomes left because he wasn't given the chances he deserves.
A youth player starting off the season below experienced players is nothing new. It almost always takes some rotation through fixture congestion for that to change. Players who have played at this level for years vs players who have like 3 sub appearances in the league (in generally easier games). Its not a huge shock, patience is just needed. Ole has the squad thin to give them chances, and while I would've wanted one to start today, it worked out and Chong still got a good chunk himself. Would assume both Gomes and Greenwood see a lot of game time on Thursday.
I meant more in general, regardless of the senior player in question, i mean, hell, i would put a bucket full with water in front of CBs than to have Matic there, September or not.
Understandable, it definitely wouldn't be ideal if either left.
My question then would be, hypothetically speaking, would you rather Ole included Gomes to the detriment of the team, as long as it makes him sign a new contract?
No, that would be outrageous. I see what you're saying, but I see Gomes as the type of talent that will eclipse Mata, Pereira and Lingard almost immediately.
Was hoping he would come on today for the closing stages. He’s a fantastic player that deserves a chance.
Really want him to start midweek against Astana.
Really want him to start midweek against Astana.
He's literally physically markedly different to Gomes. I never said he was "Ready for the PL."
Did ok when he came on btw.
Added much needed energy in our pressing
I genuinely can't wait for Gomes, Greenwood, Chong to play at the senior level regularly.
Unfortunately we have no patience in this world. Could be the new generation that lasts a long time. Gomes for me is the pick of the 3. His decision making and view of the game is very mature for his age and I hope they all do well.
Very similar to the crop coming through at Chelsea under Lampard in terms of potential.
I generally agree with that, but it's hard to judge from U23 games, and it would also be harsh to judge him via Premier League games solely. That's why I think Ole is saving him for the EL matches.
It would be smart to kill 2 bird with one stone by giving senior players a rest, as well as giving chances to players such as Gomes. If he impresses, then he'll soon take the place of one of the senior players and Lingard and Pereira etc. can play in the EL.
At least that's what I'm assuming Ole is planning to do, and communicated to him as well, so he would be patient and wait for his chance. If so it would be a good plan IMO.
As long as he starts against Astana I'll be relatively happy, I do think he should have been given a chance from the bench already though.
Looking forward to seeing him Thursday.
2 Europa league games,1 League Cup and 1 football league trophy game in the next 3 1/2 weeks.
Hopefully he starts them all.
Hopefully he starts them all.
Barcelona starting a 16 year old against Valencia tonight.
How physical is La Liga? I doubt more than the EPL.
So Gomes is never going to play for us then? Cuz EPL is not going to get less physical. And he is not going to become huge.
I think Europa is a good compromise. To ease him in slowly.
Gomes is 19, if the staff doesn't think he's strong enough for the PL (cop out really) then he should maybe move to La Liga, and if that happens, then we'll regret it.
Reminds me of when west ham signed Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano then didn't play them
If I remember Mascherano played 5 games for West Ham, when he was so much better than what they had
Comedy gold that Angel Gomes doesn't get a minute, while the two statues do ( Matic and mata ) and pereira is awful.
If I remember Mascherano played 5 games for West Ham, when he was so much better than what they had
Comedy gold that Angel Gomes doesn't get a minute, while the two statues do ( Matic and mata ) and pereira is awful.
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We shall see if he gets starts there.
What do you expect to change for him in EPL with time with respect to physicality?
Mental attributes, the important ones being anticipation and spatial awareness. He has very good agility and decent balance, so if he can develop that quickly he won't need to worry about being physically manhandled, as they won't even be able to get near him.
Similar to how he already plays in the U23's, but a level higher. For a high-level example think of how Frenkie de Jong plays.
The worry is if he makes too many mistakes at first, he may lose that playstyle due to lack of confidence, especially if he's always getting dispossessed.
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