Fair play, but I'm willing to bet correlation was huge between Jose ins and those wanting (don't minding) this deal to materialise.
Anthony Martial and Willian swap?
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I'm proud of my 3 posts in here, which are clearly right down the middle regarding Martial, appreciating his immense talent but also frustrated by his form. Looking at him right now, it's absolutely unimaginable that he's produced some of the crap he has during spells these past few years. I've permanently maintained my stance on Martial, just as with other supremely talented player like Sanchez, they have the ability to pick themselves and only have themselves to blame for ever spending spells out on the sidelines. Everyone would have you believe that Mourinho despised Martial, but I'm willing to bet he's the first name on his teamsheet now, and all of the credit for that goes to the player for making it so.
I'm still trying to remember this alleged period where Martial was really lazy and a detriment to the team but can't for the life of me recall it.
Willian is rated higher on here than most Chelsea fans rate him, it's weird. So people trying to justify why they wanted this swap to happen are merely acting with self preservation here, and I'm guessing most are vocal 'Mourinho in' posters. It was always a hilariously bad idea and had it happened, we would have been a laughing stock.
Can some of you imagine if we did indeed swap Martial for Willian? What a collateral feck up that would have been.
It was cooked up somewhere in the Mourinho threads I imagine. It was laughable and to be frank pathetic from our own fans. Similar with the fat shaming of Shaw previously.
Pretty much most people were comparing it to Mourinho losing De Bruyne and Salah. Countless posts on how Mourinho is wasting Martial and there are way more reasons than just Martial himself as for why he lost motivation.
Swapping a 29 year old Willian for a 23 year old Martial would never have been a good idea and would never have been good long term as he undoubtedly would fulfill the potential elsewhere, and it wouldve looked terribly on Mourinho as it does for De Bruyne and Salah.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of the whole thing. He's really not that good; a decent player who is capable of great stuff on his day - but he's incredibly inconsistent and streaky. Which, at 30, is unlikely to change. And his productivity is really, really mediocre for an attacking midfielder.
Just to nitpick: he turned 30 in August, before the season even began. And Martial is still a month away from 23.
Even worse! Thank God Woody has a woody for Martial. Mourinho can criticize him all he wants for transfers, but if he had it all his way we would have 29 year old (turning 30 in a few months) Perisic on the left, 30 year old Willian on the right, 29 turning 30 year old Sanchez in behind, 30 year old Matic in midfield and Alderweireld who is turning 30 at center back, all being his signings (ignoring him bringing in 35 year old Ibra). Regardless of the quality of some of these players, that's not a sustainable form of recruitment, nor is it anything but a 2 year approach.
And it's been more or less clear that Woody and the Glazers have no problem with paying big money for younger players who can either give us a lot of years or would have decent resale value. See the money splashed on Lukaku, Pogba, Fred etc.
Take it you were one of the haters. No worries pal, no-one gets it right every time
You take it wrong. I hate neither Jose nor Martial. So yep you’re not right again.
Quote all the martial fc tards as well, bunch of idiots.
I almost miss NikSab.
Matic hasn't been good enough for a long while and that has barely been a year after he signed and was only a few games ago that Luke Shaw kept Willian quiet.
Oh my god I forgot all about this. I dread to think what would have happened had we gave Chelsea our Martial for fecking Willian.
The formerly overweight and overrated Luke Shaw.
I'd also wager the same weirdos that wanted this would then turn on Ed once it was clear Chelsea bent us over, which frankly would be before as the ink dried on the contracts.
I could understand a team like City or Barca buying Willian as a squad player but not a team that actually need match winners. My Chelsea mates think he's garbage too and continually used to pray they'd mug us for Martial.
I don't care how sulky Martial appears to the body language experts, he's a genuine talent with up side, the type that United are supposed to traditionally nurture.
This is it. The fans that overrate him really started watching him closely when we started getting linked with him halfway through last season. And tbf he was in blistering form and almost seemed to be carrying Chelsea at certain points. But that's not how Willian plays every game or even every half-season or Chelsea fans would never have been happy to swap him
fecking hell. Imagine this had happened and Sarri had Martial playing as a striker and Hazard as LW. Would destroy the PL.
I honestly don't know how Willian gets rated so highly, even Sarri keeps rotating him, Conte benched him and preferred Pedro. Willian is pretty good when he has space to run ahead and against a packed or a dogged defence, crossing is his only weapon (which is not even that accurate). He still is the Brazilian Ashley Young for me.
I honestly don't know how Willian gets rated so highly, even Sarri keeps rotating him, Conte benched him and preferred Pedro. Willian is pretty good when he has space to run ahead and against a packed or a dogged defence, crossing is his only weapon (which is not even that accurate). He still is the Brazilian Ashley Young for me.
Luke Shaw has been getting worse game by game since he got his new contract. This is coming from someone that was very impressed by his early season form. Gave Juve a free run at his flank in both games. Ronaldo made the same run in Turin that he made at OT for the Dybala goal and he was lucky that Khedira messed up the shot.
I don't get what the point is in using players to make some over arching theory about the manager, because it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. You're trying to compare Matic being bad in 2018 to Luke Shaw having a good 2 months. That sort of point doesnt make sense until Luke Shaw performs over a whole season.
The Williams overrating reminds me of Morata. As soon as he was linked with us we had all these talks about these supposedly world class qualities he had.
And it especially became clear in Williams case that some people were rating him that highly to begin with because he appeared to be a Jose's target and some felt compelled to justify his preference of him over Martial.
Funny how the bloke is rated way highly by some United fans than Chelsea fans themselves. With that guy's end product how were people even exited about getting him and thinking that he'd have fixed our problems.
We brought in players with brilliant end products prior to joining us and turned them completely unproductive, what would have happened to someone like William who doesn't even have much end product from where he came from to begin with.
And it especially became clear in Williams case that some people were rating him that highly to begin with because he appeared to be a Jose's target and some felt compelled to justify his preference of him over Martial.
Funny how the bloke is rated way highly by some United fans than Chelsea fans themselves. With that guy's end product how were people even exited about getting him and thinking that he'd have fixed our problems.
We brought in players with brilliant end products prior to joining us and turned them completely unproductive, what would have happened to someone like William who doesn't even have much end product from where he came from to begin with.
I like Willian but you are right that people went over the top. Now to be fair, it's a regular theme people seem to think that every other players are better than ours.
This was truly bizarre in the summer. Then again Jose has a magical talent for turning supporters against players.
Caf favorite pass time.
Also the way opposition players are overrated, especially in attempt to make ours seems average is astounding.
Just a recent example is the Juventus game. Don't get me wrong Juventus are a better team than us and have quality but the way people talked about their squad especially in respect to ours was some truly baffling stuff.
Seen people claim that hardly 2 or 3 players in our team will make the Juventus squad. The same Juventus that has cuadrado and Khedira as starters.
Not gonna claim that we have world class players all over the park by neither do Juventus, yet their squad is spoken in hyperbolic terms.
A very useful player for any team.
But we dont need him.
But we dont need him.
So true. Imagine the uproar if Khedira was in our midfield? Our players are hugely and regularly underestimated by the shiny transfer mob.
This proposed deal would have been farcical. Thank feck our board didn’t entertain it.
A real blessing for us this move never happened. All the thanks to Ed
The worst rumour that was ever made. It was never on the cards. Can't thank Woodward for rejecting something thay didnt exist
No I'm not. I'm saying Matic has been bad in 2018, and on a separate note that one of our players kept Willian quiet. If Shaw can keep Willian quiet then plenty of other LBs can - and have done as Willian's only scored/assisted in a small number of games so far this season. I'm not linking Shaw's performances to Matic at all.
You can see Mourinho’s point though. We might never win anything again, and young players are more inconsistent and there’s nothing worse than a player not reaching their potential when you’ve invested so much time in him.
If you had to assemble a team to win the league this year, I doubt there would be too many 22 year olds in there.
I’m playing devils advocate here, for the record.
What do you mean it wasn't on the cards? It's a swap detail. They always happen.
It's not weird. Many posters tend to overrate oppo players to no end.
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