Flying_Heckfish
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Play some decent football.. CL semi, title push. Should be possible given our resources.
You’re in dreamland mate. I’d settle for any one of those.Play some decent football.. CL semi, title push. Should be possible given our resources.
You do know players can improve too right?Have we signed any one bar Fred?no.
Then NO.
And Dalot !
Are you seriously expecting a 19 year old who has about 6 first team games for Porto under his belt, to improve to such a level, that he will be better than Valencia? You really believe this?You do know players can improve too right?
That's about as realistic es expecting Fred to be a squad player. The manager said multiple times there is a problem in midfield, spends 50m on a midfielder and you think he'll be a squad player.Are you seriously expecting a 19 year old who has about 6 first team games for Porto under his belt, to improve to such a level, that he will be better than Valencia? You really believe this?
That's how I see it as well.Feel like next season is a countdown to Mourinho being sacked before some other poor sod has to try to make a team out of various veterans, misfits and mercenaries.
I have not seen Fred play, but I did read this in the Fred thread, which has definitely influenced my opinion.That's about as realistic es expecting Fred to be a squad player. The manager said multiple times there is a problem in midfield, spends 50m on a midfielder and you think he'll be a squad player.
I also noticed that you avoided my question about a 19 year old with 6 first team starts, expected to take over as RB. That was cunning.It is going to be really interesting to see how Fred does this year. He has potential for sure.
But people need to lower their expectations, for Freds own sake if nothing else. I have written some scouting reports on Fred earlier this year since I actually see him play quite regularly here in the Ukraine. He is not going to come in and boss Uniteds midfield, sorry but thats just naive. If he over the season starts to compete with Herrera and Fellaini for real I would deem it a success.
Fred is arriving from a league that nowadays is on the level of the minnow leagues in Europe. The Ukrainian league is not even on the level of a league like for example the Dutch Eredivisie. He and Shaktar plays 6 "real"games per year: all against Dynamo Kyiv who is not what they once were. Not even close. The conflict here has drained the Ukrainian football of all money except for Shaktars oligarch-sponsored team.
The premier league here even changed the system so that we would have 4 games in the league between Shaktar and Dynamo per season instead of two. Add to that the cupfinal and supercup we get 6 "real" games per year domestically.
Add to that that the Dynamo of today are a shadow of what "we" once were; its practically the Ukrainian U21-team. Had to get rid of all the "expensive" imports if they even were that. Funny enough Dynamo edges Shaktar in their head-to-heads this season. What that says about Shaktars quality I dont know but that game will always be a war whichever players wear respective shirt so I guess maybe not so much....
Add to those six games Shaktars ventures into Europe you have the games from which its possible to judge Fred on. He has performed good in Europe without standing out. But playing in Europe is something different than playing in the Premier League. He isnt used to play more than 10-15 "real" games per season and the tempo and grind of the PL will be a challenge and hopefully not a shock.
And he doesnt speak English at all btw. He is a hard worker though and seems to have is head screwed on straight compared to other Brazilians that play and have played for Shaktar over the years.
Its a real step up for him and I just hope that everyone gives him a season at least to adapt. I think Mourinho will and that he will be used sparingly to begin with as should he be. I get a bit worried when I read some of the posts here though.
If what he says is true then we should be worried, because all we've done is sign two more squad players in an already bloated squad, when what we actually need are first team players who can immediately make a difference.I have not seen Fred play, but I did read this in the Fred thread, which has definitely influenced my opinion.
Oh yes the same old story then. Waiting for the likes of Rashford, Lingard, Lindelof, Martial to improve, good luck with that.You do know players can improve too right?
Another year working with Jose who has also had some new additions to the backroom staff which should help to mix things up a bit.
So much pessimism on here it's ridiculous.
We will sign another player or two before the window closes anyway, but jeez.
I didn't ignore it I specifically said how ridiculous it is. Expecting Dalot to be a mianstay in our starting 11 is as ridiculous as expecting Fred to be a squad player.I have not seen Fred play, but I did read this in the Fred thread, which has definitely influenced my opinion.
I have not written him off, by any means, but I have reset my expectations.
If he comes good, then fantastic. But if he turns out to be a squad player, then I won't be disappointed.
I also noticed that you avoided my question about a 19 year old with 6 first team starts, expected to take over as RB. That was cunning.
But we have 3 positions where we have no players that are good enough to be a top team. Left back Right wing and our Lack of centre back pairing are all up there with the worst in the top 6. Even Valencia is gone at right back but maybe Dalot can secure a place after a few months if he performs well.I'm a born optimist, but that battles with being a bit of a realist as well!
I do have a feeling that I'm not sure we'll improve enough next season to challenge for 1st and a worry that there will be tougher competition for 2nd. I mean realistically, we (mostly) have good enough players, but some individuals have not performed at a high enough level often enough.
What's going to change that next season? That's my thinking. Will things "click" into place?
Players stepping up and claiming a place in the team is what we want, but that hasn't happened enough. We're carrying a lot of players who sit in the squad but aren't guaranteed first team picks you'd trust
You must have forgotten that Arsenal exist. Also Lovren, and Karius. Also Christensen and Cahill. Also the average players Chelsea bought last season that saw them plummet to 5th place (Bakoyoko, Drinkwater, Barkley, Morata).But we have 3 positions where we have no players that are good enough to be a top team. Left back Right wing and our Lack of centre back pairing are all up there with the worst in the top 6. Even Valencia is gone at right back but maybe Dalot can secure a place after a few months if he performs well.
Reading the comments you would think we are destined for a relegation battle How can our fanbase be so generally depressed and pessimistic is beyond me. We signed 2 players, we will definitely add at least a couple more, an exciting coach joined our coaching staff. But instead of being optimistic we worry about Sarri, Liverpool and some even worried about Spurs finishing above us
Yes 2 more signings and we sort 2 of our 3 big problems then we will be talking.You must have forgotten that Arsenal exist. Also Lovren, and Karius. Also Christensen and Cahill. Also the average players Chelsea bought last season that saw them plummet to 5th place (Bakoyoko, Drinkwater, Barkley, Morata).
We had the 2nd best squad last season, and so long as we get in 2 more good signings we'll still have the 2nd best squad in the league with a fighter's chance of overcoming City.
If we add 2 more quality players in the positions we need I am confident we can win 90 points. Whether it would be enough to win the league or not depends on the other teams, especially City.Yes 2 more signings and we sort 2 of our 3 big problems then we will be talking.
Also in regard to Liverpool with Van Dijk having Lovern isnt the worst anymore as atleast they have a pairing our problem is we dont even have a pairing and still play Smalling and Jones who should never kick a ball for United again.
Chelsea will no doubt outspend us and there squad really underachieved so would be foolish to count them out. Im being realistic. As it stands with Fred and Dalot who is 19 we have no chance of competing with City. Now that could change in the coming weeks. We will see.
Bare in mind City whole bench almost would start for every other team in the league. That is how far they are ahead of the pack.
Lovren is absolutely not good, he always does this for Liverpool where he looks competent for a stretch of game then loses his brain. He will literally throw a game away (ie Spurs). The same can be said for Karius who not only makes mistakes regularly due to deficiencies in his game but also has game costing moments (there are multiple examples in the last season where he did not make the correct play which cost a goal).Yes 2 more signings and we sort 2 of our 3 big problems then we will be talking.
Also in regard to Liverpool with Van Dijk having Lovern isnt the worst anymore as atleast they have a pairing our problem is we dont even have a pairing and still play Smalling and Jones who should never kick a ball for United again.
Chelsea will no doubt outspend us and there squad really underachieved so would be foolish to count them out. Im being realistic. As it stands with Fred and Dalot who is 19 we have no chance of competing with City. Now that could change in the coming weeks. We will see.
Bare in mind City whole bench almost would start for every other team in the league. That is how far they are ahead of the pack.
Where did I suggest that?Are you seriously expecting a 19 year old who has about 6 first team games for Porto under his belt, to improve to such a level, that he will be better than Valencia? You really believe this?
Are you serious?Oh yes the same old story then. Waiting for the likes of Rashford, Lingard, Lindelof, Martial to improve, good luck with that.
Surely not 11, not even 6 or 7. But we need reinforcement in specific areas 3 or maybe 4, no? Simple question you want to win the P.L and or the C.L with Lingard, Rashford, Martial, Young, Shaw, Darmian and Jones? Wonder who is deluded here! At least sell some and get two full backs and a winger ffs.Are you serious?
Lingard has improved immensely over the past year or so, whereas the likes of Rashford and Martial have plenty of potential, Lindelof not so much, but it's still early days.
You are utterly deluded if you think we're going to sign 11 new players who will come into the side and win us things.
My point is, we have a good squad of players who have the potential to improve. Do you not think so?
There will be a few more signings in addition to Fred and Dalot, so stop getting your knickers in a twist that we've only signed 2 players so far.