Do you have a link to that notebook? Not questioning the veracity or anything, it'd just be a useful thing to have to reference in debates like these.
Arsenal - Dirty team
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Im sure Drogba and Rooney are licking thier lips at the prospect of it.
Fortress Emirates has been violated more times than Jordan in the last few years.
Here's one for you:
I'm playing football, defending a corner.
I decided to stand on the line with my arms outstretched.
The corner's taken and the ball gets headed onto my arm and gets cleared.
By the refereeing handbook this isn't necessarily a penalty.
I'm glad the refs use common sense sometimes. The Chamakh one probably should've been given.
I'm playing football, defending a corner.
I decided to stand on the line with my arms outstretched.
The corner's taken and the ball gets headed onto my arm and gets cleared.
By the refereeing handbook this isn't necessarily a penalty.
I'm glad the refs use common sense sometimes. The Chamakh one probably should've been given.
I think the notes/law cover it since the player has deliberately stretched his arms out to gain an advantage. Unlike Chamakh and Clichy, who were accidentally struck by the ball on the hand.
The difference being Chamakh can avoid blocking the cross with his arm, but he doesn't. It was very clumsy, he completely misjudged the cross, and the ball was played from close to the by-line so he had plenty of time to readjust but didn't. He defended it like a donkey and made no attempt to keep his hands out of it, so would have been a fair penalty. The Clichy one is different because the ball is played from a short distance and he has little time to readjust or move his arms away, unlike donkey Chamakh.
At what point, though, does a failure to avoid a ball become deliberate handball? This is where the difficulty lies.
Nope. I had one arm outstretched to "balance myself on the post", and other was outstretched and pointing to "give positioning instructions to my teammate".
Didn't mean to handle it.
Why did Chamakh have his arms out?
YES, exactly.
We've just got to accept the ref's interpretation. That's why they get paid to do their job.
For the record, Chamakh's was much more of a penalty than Clichy's. I still think it would have been very harsh though, and Webb agreed.
That's obvious rubbish, pen (and red card). Chamakh clearly had his arms out for balance in a diving header (as you do), accidental.
To be honest none of the 3 shouts were penalties. Not the one we got and not the Chamakh hand ball and most definitely not the Rafael "foul" on Chamakh.
Neither should have been penalties imo. When I saw it I did not feel the Clichy one was a penalty so I was kind of happy that Rooney did not score from the penalty. It was justice. And well atleast him missing meant you Gooners could not blame the defeat on the ref
When the ball is played from a good distance away, meaning the player should have had ample time to stop their arms blocking the cross.
It's basic defending to keep your arms out of the way of the ball. Sometimes it can't be avoided if the ball is played from too close a distance (Clichy), but this wasn't the case with Chamakh.
Clumsy. Stupid. Penalty.
It's not the way it's applied though. Unless it's one where the player had absolutely no time to get his arms out of the way, in which case he's too close to the person striking the ball, it's usually give irrespective of it being ball to hand or hand to ball.basic pillock rules
fkme how on earth can you not know the penalty rule
What if a player stopped the ball from crossing the goal line in similar circumstances ? would it be a penalty or not?
cnut. Someone should take Shawcross out tomorrow.
Not if your lastname is Terry or Carragher.
To be fair, Pulis is a massive cnut. He's probably got a picture of Ramsey's severed leg on his wall at home.
Clichy gained an advantage by the ball hitting his arm - Nani was otherwise away
not difficult - it didn't affect the outcome of the game so wtf?
oh, forgot, it's the bummers. Enough said
not difficult - it didn't affect the outcome of the game so wtf?
oh, forgot, it's the bummers. Enough said
Clishy's handball shouldnt have been penalised imo.
But Chamakh's was a penalty, without a doubt.
But Chamakh's was a penalty, without a doubt.
He merely pointed out that the common perception that Stoke are a more unfair team than Arsenal is not backed up by the facts. He's right.
You can tell they know he's right. That's why their responses are so lame.
You don't think a higher number of cards translates into 'a dirtier team' so shut it. The match at Stoke two years ago was a disgrace. Delap chopped Sagna (out for a month), Shawcross did Adebayor off the pitch (out 5 weeks) and Delap then took out Walcott (out 3 months). Last year we had Shawcross piling into a player and breaking his leg.
YouTube - Van persie red card
And Delap didn't do Walcott at all, wasn't even that bad of a challenge was it?
Of course you and Andy@Alistair will not hear anything bad against Arsenal. For one bad challenge against you there's easily one bad challenge you've made.
Doesn't really fit in with your footall for the purists mantra at Arsenal that kind of thing does it? then again we all saw that go out the window Monday night anyway so i suppose thats a myth these days.
Now that would be funny.
Hope someone takes out Nasri and Fabregas.
You have to laugh. At the end of the day, you can't actually get away from the fact that Stoke have injured 4 players for a total of about 20 months in 2 games against us at the Brittania. It's quite remarkable.
And you never seem to realise that red cards don't always mean dirty players. We've only had one red card this season for a poor challenge, but the "stats" don't say that. They just say five red cards.
Dictionary.com should link to this post under 'irony'.
Fairest post from a gooner Ive ever seen. Why Storey is listened to on here is beyond me,.Jo should be the official voice of the gooners on here imo.Eh
how have you picked that vibe up?
I'm a gooner from way before Wenger's time so I appreciate "hard working defensive team performance" s better than any fan on this site
Ferguson's genius as a manager is not confined to all out gungho 'never say die' attacking football. He's better than that and has a fantastic grasp of what tactics generally fit what game / opposition team and against us as he's done against Barca before, CL semi , he's set up to be tight and narrow down spaces with Park Carrick Fletcher etc and hopefully get a break in a game, which this tactic often achieves
It does'nt always work but it does more often than not and it's not actually being negative either it's just wrapping tentacles around a team like us and challenging us to come up with something to beat it, which in the last 6 years or so Wenger has never got to grips with
It's Ferguson's adaptability that puts him on a level above all other managers imo - he'd like to smash every side 6-0 with wonder football but is intelligent enough to realise that if you cant do that then are other ways
So would you say you had the dirtiest team in the country years ago when you were setting new records for red cards? Something ridiculous like 51 red cards in Wenger's first 5 years wasnt it?
Looking at the stats Arsenal are officially the dirtiest team in the league.....
Stats don't say everything. I don't genuinely understand how you can even think we are. We've had one poor challenge all season. You actually have to watch the games to make a proper judgement.
The stats for bookings and red cards and general fouls show you commit more than any other side, thats just what it says, sorry if this upsets you.
Firstly, can you provide a link to that - I'm not doubting you, I'd just be interested.
Secondly, it still proves nothing. Say we got 38 red cards in the league. If all of them were caused by denying clear goalscoring opportunities, it wouldn't mean we were a dirty side. If another side got 5 for breaking people's legs, they'd be a dirtier side than us. The stats would still suggest otherwise.
So 38 cynical fouls to prevent goals are ok because nobody gets injured?
Christ, Arsenal logic at it's finest.