Now that's some Grade-A Liverpool bitterness.Arsenal
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Now that's some Grade-A Liverpool bitterness.
He's one of the reasons we've been so shit this year, he wouldn't even be starting if Wilshere was fit. You seem to be implying that he's too good for us but I can assure you that is far from the case.
I have never understand this Wilshere hype! Im not even sure that he is much better than Cleverley..
No. And the fact we got Balotelli instead compounds the bitterness.
However, the schadenfrade of what he's going through (and Suarez being Messi's personal boot cleaner) helps a lot.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...-Wenger-sacked-staying-s-tainting-legacy.html
Can you guys believe Martin Samuel is quoting Claude, Ty, some people off twitter and this is the first article on the site.
Unbelievable.
Can you guys believe Martin Samuel is quoting Claude, Ty, some people off twitter and this is the first article on the site.
Unbelievable.
I remember when Martin Samuel wrote good stuff.
Think he was smart enough to realise that last season was an exception for Liverpool and they'll return to normality. As has been evidenced this season.
Wenger quite simply has to go for the club to move forward.
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I don't think Wenger is the problem in terms of his management. He does need to get a clue with his defense though. The players they have at the moment aren't remotely adequate.
He's obviously a much better player than Cleverley, but he'll never amount to much because of his injuries.
Steve Bould was meant to be the man to sort out Arsenal defensively. Seems like he's a bit useless.
Agree with the first part but is it really the injuries holding him back? Personally, I just don't think he's all that but surely a lot of people should now be wondering where all the hype was coming from? Honestly, he's the first player that comes to my mind when someone talks about overrated English players.
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One man surrounded by a whole bunch of embarrassed faces? Don't think it compares to a bunch of fans waiting at the train station to boo and demand the exit of their manager.Eh, they did.
Anyway, it's poor form. I'd replace Wenger at the end of the season, but I wouldn't abuse him, Arsenal owe him a lot.
Wenger should have gone after the F.A. Cup final in the summer, it would have been good to go out with a trophy. Chances are now that he'll leave the club after a barren season. Shame.
It's bizarre to see Wenger getting booed by Arsenal fans and with a sizeable number of Arsenal fans wanting him out. I can understand why they think that I just never thought I'd see the day when Wenger was so disliked by them.
He was Fergie's biggest rival for so long, it's just weird to see.
He was Fergie's biggest rival for so long, it's just weird to see.
It's disgusting how they're treating Wenger. Wenger should just resign now. Only thing in the way is his pride.
It's pretty sad that it's all come to this.
The man was a certified football genius 10 years ago. Its a pity to see his reputation being tarnished like this. I still think he has it in him to win another Premiership but he's gonna need to buy a few players and pray the injuries go away.
All it does is highlight just how impressive SAF was for being so consistently competitive and being able to reinvent the team after new challengers appeared. Wenger was able to compete with Fergie but had no answer to City and Chelseas, SAF did.
All it does is highlight just how impressive SAF was for being so consistently competitive and being able to reinvent the team after new challengers appeared. Wenger was able to compete with Fergie but had no answer to City and Chelseas, SAF did.
No way will Arsen Wenger ever win another league title with Arsenal in my view.
They won't even challenge. If they finish fourth, they'll be closer to fifth than third.
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We can build up a nice gap between ourselves and them if we continue our good form. Some tricky fixtures for them.
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Fixtures up till Jan 1st.
We can build up a nice gap between ourselves and them if we continue our good form. Some tricky fixtures for them.
Arsene Wenger must accept the majority of the blame. He appears to have absolutely no clue at the moment.
I think he has been poor in the transfer market and is tactically naive. He must go.
I think he has been poor in the transfer market and is tactically naive. He must go.
Wow, that's shocking!
Disgraceful. But then we saw Henry getting abuse in the FA Cup when he returned too, so I guess it's to be expected.
A part of me (even as a United fan) wants to see Wenger have his year of success, to shove two fingers up to people like that. But then I don't think fans like that deserve that success.
Nothing wrong with wanting him to leave his role, but booing him is disgraceful.
A part of me (even as a United fan) wants to see Wenger have his year of success, to shove two fingers up to people like that. But then I don't think fans like that deserve that success.
Nothing wrong with wanting him to leave his role, but booing him is disgraceful.
How would Chelsea perform without Hazard, Ivanovic, Terry and Matic all out at the same time for a long period? Because that's what we're experiencing without Ozil, Debuchy, Koscielny and Arteta.
Not to mention Wilshere, Walcott, Chesney and Giroud being out injured as well. That's more than half of our first teamers.
Haven't even counted the fact that Ramsey is off form, Welbeck is underperforming. Injuries are a part of football etc etc but this is just a level above the normal injuries. At Stoke we played our 3rd choice goal keeper with a rookie RB with only 3 or 4 first team appearances to his name alongside our 3rd choice CB who used to be a RB and our LB was carrying a knock.
Sounds like a lot of excuses but its the truth. I don't know how to turn around but its December, far too early for a national inquiry on Arsenal FC, even if it was March this sort of reaction (media and fans) would be over the top seeing as we would be 3 points off the top 4.
The simplest way to turn this around would be to buy a CB and DM in January, demote Mertesacker to 4th choice as he seems incapable of playing with anyone else besides Koscielny and sell Arteta in the summer.
Although that then raises the question as to who to make captain.
For all those having a dig at Wenger (those fans in that clip), they should remember that the very reason they are upset is because Wenger isn't living up to the high standards that he set for himself during his first decade at the club. Wenger won 3 league titles in 6 years, it took us 20 years (71-91) to win our last three league titles before he arrived and before 71 we won our last league title in the 50s. No Arsenal manager has had the success that Wenger has had and even if you want him to go then at least show him a little bit of respect and common decency and don't go swearing and shouting in the man's face.
Not to mention Wilshere, Walcott, Chesney and Giroud being out injured as well. That's more than half of our first teamers.
Haven't even counted the fact that Ramsey is off form, Welbeck is underperforming. Injuries are a part of football etc etc but this is just a level above the normal injuries. At Stoke we played our 3rd choice goal keeper with a rookie RB with only 3 or 4 first team appearances to his name alongside our 3rd choice CB who used to be a RB and our LB was carrying a knock.
Sounds like a lot of excuses but its the truth. I don't know how to turn around but its December, far too early for a national inquiry on Arsenal FC, even if it was March this sort of reaction (media and fans) would be over the top seeing as we would be 3 points off the top 4.
The simplest way to turn this around would be to buy a CB and DM in January, demote Mertesacker to 4th choice as he seems incapable of playing with anyone else besides Koscielny and sell Arteta in the summer.
Although that then raises the question as to who to make captain.
For all those having a dig at Wenger (those fans in that clip), they should remember that the very reason they are upset is because Wenger isn't living up to the high standards that he set for himself during his first decade at the club. Wenger won 3 league titles in 6 years, it took us 20 years (71-91) to win our last three league titles before he arrived and before 71 we won our last league title in the 50s. No Arsenal manager has had the success that Wenger has had and even if you want him to go then at least show him a little bit of respect and common decency and don't go swearing and shouting in the man's face.
What do Arsenal fans actually expect from Wenger and the team? This is a genuine question. Would a title challenge and a trophy once every few years be enough or do they expect to be challenging every year?
You do know this is a Manchester United Forum, right?
Might not be the best place to come and have a rant about your terrible injury list.
Might not be the best place to come and have a rant about your terrible injury list.
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That's shocking.
I appreciate the point but I must admit the first thing that jumped out at me was the difference in quality between the players at Chelsea and the players at Arsenal particularly when we are comparing Hazard, Terry and Matic to Ozil, Debuchy and Arteta. I think that is more of the issue than the loss of players.
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Exactly the same, all of the Chelsea players are better than the Arsenal player they're paired with.
I was more comparing position and importance to the team rather than individual quality.
Ozil, Koscielny, Arteta, Debuchy are our spine whereas Hazard, Terry, Matic and Ivanovic are the spine for Chelsea's team.
Would we be doing as good as Chelsea if our bunch were fit? No, but would they be doing as well as they are if those players were all out simultaneously? No.
Ozil, Koscielny, Arteta, Debuchy are our spine whereas Hazard, Terry, Matic and Ivanovic are the spine for Chelsea's team.
Would we be doing as good as Chelsea if our bunch were fit? No, but would they be doing as well as they are if those players were all out simultaneously? No.
Hazard is probably more comparable to Sanchez given both are the best player's in their respective teams. Unlike Ozil, Hazard is a constant threat
Even if they missed those players, Chelsea still have Fabregas and Costa who form the most crucial aspect of their spine so they would probably still be doing ok I'd imagine. In contrast Arsenal have an out of form Ramsay and Welbeck.
Even if they missed those players, Chelsea still have Fabregas and Costa who form the most crucial aspect of their spine so they would probably still be doing ok I'd imagine. In contrast Arsenal have an out of form Ramsay and Welbeck.
You have some reasonable points, but for the bolded he really isn't. Danny is doing exactly what he has done for his entire career. Which is why I don't understand wengers choice of buying him, nor the expectations people had that mean his current work is somehow 'underperforming' .
You needed a reliable goal scorer. Danny Welbeck is a great talent, a nice lad and brings a lot to a team, but regular goals is not one of those things, and you have better link up players than him already. That you havent had a goal scorer you can rely on, and a poor defence has to be down to wenger I'm afraid. He doesnt deserve the abuse, but he should certainly shoulder a lot of the responsibility.
I am sorry but you should never compare Arsenal's injury list to justify the bad form. It's not like its something new, is it?
They won't even come close to winning Premier League with Wenger as it's been said.
How big a miss has Ozil really been though? He seems to go missing most of the time especially during the big matches or when you're needing someone to produce a moment of quality. Arsenal badly needed a top class. dominant, mobile central defender, instead Wenger bought a young kid and threw him in at the deep end to compensate. Same really with a holding midfielder, another issue within the side that the manger seems to constantly overlook.
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