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People who think VVD deserve it over Messi.
This was pretty comical from MDL and Buffon yesterdayWhy don't they just change the description to best player between January and June? It's quite obvious the months after don't count. What the feck is De Ligt doing in the top 10? He's been wank for Juventus. Also, Lewandowski should be in the top 10 over most of them.
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Awards are tonight iircWhen do we find out?
Buffon getting found out? You love to see it. So overrated it's not even funny.
I think you're doing alright as a footballer if you're getting "found out" in your 40s after christ knows how many winner's medalsBuffon getting found out? You love to see it. So overrated it's not even funny.
I know what you mean but for me he's been diabolical for god knows how many years now. Just gets by on his name these days. The fact he's still starting at games at Juventus is staggering.I think you're doing alright as a footballer if you're getting "found out" in your 40s after christ knows how many winner's medals
He is improving though, he actually used his feet to clear the ball this time. As for Buffon, if he keeps this up he might even end up outside of the top 10 for the golden glove this year.
VVD bombed A LOT worse at the Camp Nou. The reason that tie was even close in the first place was because of Messi and MATS. VVD had the team mates to bail him out, Messi didn't.As long as it doesn't go to Liverpool players, but I don't think Messi deserved it in all honesty. He bombed at Anfield massively.
Because he's won it a gazillion times and we're used to his greatness. But he's very obviously the best player in the world, if you're going to have stupid individual trophies in football, then of course he deserves it.VVD bombed A LOT worse at the Camp Nou. The reason that tie was even close in the first place was because of Messi and MATS. VVD had the team mates to bail him out, Messi didn't.
While VVD winning it won't exactly be outrageous I can't subscribe to the notion Messi doesn't deserve it, 52 goals and 23 assists, give those stats to anyone else bar him or CR7 and no one would dispute them winning it.
Yeah well, he fecked up when it counted the most. I never said it should go to van Dijk, but hell, Messi getting it feels like rewarding failure. I don't really care about La Liga, if you're Barca or Real there you'll always hit high numbers.VVD bombed A LOT worse at the Camp Nou. The reason that tie was even close in the first place was because of Messi and MATS. VVD had the team mates to bail him out, Messi didn't.
While VVD winning it won't exactly be outrageous I can't subscribe to the notion Messi doesn't deserve it, 52 goals and 23 assists, give those stats to anyone else bar him or CR7 and no one would dispute them winning it.
He had his team 3-0 up in a semi final. In the last min of that match he puts a fresh dembele clean through for an easy tap in. He missed.Yeah well, he fecked up when it counted the most. I never said it should go to van Dijk, but hell, Messi getting it feels like rewarding failure. I don't really care about La Liga, if you're Barca or Real there you'll always hit high numbers.
Yeah well, he fecked up when it counted the most. I never said it should go to van Dijk, but hell, Messi getting it feels like rewarding failure. I don't really care about La Liga, if you're Barca or Real there you'll always hit high numbers.
Madness isnt it. This is the definition of victim of his own success.
"Messi doesn't deserve it because I don't really care about that Spanish league he's playing in". And please, do tell me which other players "always hit high numbers" like Messi does? 50+ goals in 2019.
It's an individual award and should go to the best individual player, which was once again Messi in 2019.
But he didn't, his defense did. Liverpool are a much better team than Barca and he (and Ter Stegan) were the only reasons it was even a contest over two legs. Does the award really come down to a quick corner neither player were involved in?Yeah well, he fecked up when it counted the most. I never said it should go to van Dijk, but hell, Messi getting it feels like rewarding failure. I don't really care about La Liga, if you're Barca or Real there you'll always hit high numbers.
But he didn't, his defense did. Liverpool are a much better team than Barca and he (and Ter Stegan) were the only reasons it was even a contest over two legs. Does the award really come down to a quick corner neither player were involved in?
Saying he ultimately failed would be like saying Van Persie was a failure in 2011/2012 because Arsenal didn't win the league.
Err... VVD won the UEFA men's player the year award, so officially he was the best player in CL.VVD wasn’t that amazing in CL, liverpool
Conceded a fair bit in the group stage.
messi was the best player in CL, mane was as good as VVD in cl
No, Barca scored 3 goals in the tie, the attack did their job. The defense are much more to blame. If you tell your defense all they have to do is not concede 4 goals to advance then it’s definitely the defense‘s fault.Not getting one goal in when Liverpool had to think attack more than defense is a failure. And don't try to compare Arsenal teams with this Barca side, they have top players, Arsenal only had van Persie. You can blame defenders from Barca, and they are to blame, but you can't ignore a failure to score a goal that would settle it either. Attackers are suppose to get at least one goal a game. Don't excuse it. Because of him and his failure Liverpool have doubled their lead in European cup trophies, this is a grudge I will hold against Messi and the entire Barca team. I'll forgive him if he joins us.
Lewandowski has a career mark of 0.68 goals per game. Aguero 0.58 per game, Suarez 0.67 a game, even Ronaldo is "only" at 0.74 goals per game. Attackers are not supposed to score at a ratio of 1 goal per 1 game because that would make you one of the best players of all time. Oh and Messi's goal per game ratio is actually 0.88.Attackers are suppose to get at least one goal a game. Don't excuse it.
van dijk has far better defenders around him than Messi does attackers. One of Barca’s top 3 scorers in UCL in recent years have been own goal which says it all.You can make a case for either. Irrespective of their differing roles and positions, both have been hugely and singularly influential on their team's fortunes. Barcelona have come to rely increasingly on Messi while Van Dijk has had a transformative impact on Liverpool. That influence, combined with winning the Champions League, and near complete domination in the league, makes Van Dijk my own choice.
how ridiculous, 50+ goals and 25+ assists is nothing?It's primerily a marketing award, which is why Messi will likely win it. He's not done anything special this year and frankly embarrassing losses in the CL and copa America...
Has to be player from City, Liverpool and / or Brazil squad for me. They've won the big trophies in last 12 months.
it’s leaked that Messi won it seemsMessi deserves it this year but if Luka Modric won it last year then anything is possible I would not be surprised if VVD wins it.
He didn't. He created some very good chances despite a woeful team performance.As long as it doesn't go to Liverpool players, but I don't think Messi deserved it in all honesty. He bombed at Anfield massively.
It's easier to judge forwards because they have more "tangible" stats, goals and assists. Messi did absolutely nothing in the two key semi finals this year or the Copa del rey final. Lost all of them.how ridiculous, 50+ goals and 25+ assists is nothing?
losing to Brazil is embarrassing? I mean seriously?
there was no better player than messi this past season. Hell, literally all the Liverpool players like VVD himself, mane and salah all feel messi deserves it which says it all really
how ridiculous, 50+ goals and 25+ assists is nothing?
losing to Brazil is embarrassing? I mean seriously?
there was no better player than messi this past season. Hell, literally all the Liverpool players like VVD himself, mane and salah all feel messi deserves it which says it all really
Not like he scored 2 goals in one of those semifinals and created a few other excellent goal-scoring opportunities, no.It's easier to judge forwards because they have more "tangible" stats, goals and assists. Messi did absolutely nothing in the two key semi finals this year or the Copa del rey final. Lost all of them.
I know almost no one else is going to give any respect to any players who aren't forwards. For these awards, it's all about marketing and kids who like football want the goal scorers winning all the time. So the money men give the people what they want and sell more stuff with Messi's face on it...
I'd like to see the other 10 players on the pitch get some respect though, what is the point of football anyway, winning the big trophies surely? Not just racking goals up against La liga teams where goal difference doesn't matter, so they just give up after going a few goals down.
Personally like to see real "football" awards given to guys like Busquets, who runs the midfield and without whom there's no platform to attack. Plenty of other examples of unsung non forward players in winning teams who just don't get appreciated properly.
Cannavaro in 2006 I think?When is the last time a defender - especially a CB won the award anyway? Or has it ever even happened?