He's thread banned, just move on.What's the context? I'm not saying we should tolerate whichever injustice you're referring to.
I said people shouldn't reduce themselves to pety insults and the best way to find compromise and to settle difference is through dialogue.
Without dialogue nothing will get sorted and your poster seems to push division by grouping people into tolerant or intolerant and basically saying you shouldn't tolerate the side you disagree with? What does that achieve? In Russia and Ukraines case, war.
It's quite fitting we are discussing this in this topic given it is related to freedom of speech. And whether we agree with it or not, everyone's voice is equal.
So no I disagree. While I don't agree with mic fins opinions, I will not tell him to feck off are refuse to tolerate him for having opposing views. Id rather debate with him and hope that I could somehow influence him to see a different perspective or at least get him to consider alternative views. At least that way something positive could be achieved.
I think they're banned bannedHe's thread banned, just move on.
We say THICC now grandpaI’m so annoyed that we can’t call thick people thick anymore.
We say THICC now grandpa
We can move on when you apologise for speaking shite.
You can say whatever the feck you like about me on the general forums, don't give a feck. But I take politics very seriously and I won't have you bad mouthing me and painting a false narrative just to try and prevent yourself from looking like a trolling plonker looking for an argument.
Which ironically makes this paragraph rather funny
"Now I'm sure that makes you feel good about yourself and all that, really must be great fun for you,"
There are a depressing number of people who are agreeing with them too. They might even stay in power on the back of this.They can't be serious. Look at any group of cnuts from history and they all do the same thing. They use dehumanising language to get the mob on side. Before the genocide in Rawanda, the Hutu used to refer to the Tutsi as cockroaches in broadcasts all the time. The Nazis did the same thing with the jews. They were often refereed to as being diseased animals that needed to be put down. And then going further to liken them to parasites that presented a threat to German bloodlines. Anywhere you look, the first tool used by oppressors is language. Thats what the Tories did here, and theres no escaping it.
But why use this language when it's so obvious what they are saying? Well, because they are going to lose the next election. They can't say "vote for us, look how great the country is!" because its all shit. Theres strikes everywhere, theres cops raping women, theres a cost of living crisis, the place is a fecking mess. But what the can do is create an enemy, and present themselves as the Britains hero fighting on the front lines against "the swarms" trying to "break in". They have been doing this for years. Even Cameron got called out on it during his time of trying to side step questions of their shit governance. They did the same to the disabled people, claiming it was for them because of all the benefit cheats out there stealing. And what did they do? The went after the disabled, and changed what it meant to be disabled in order get the help disabled people needed and then trotted out bullshit language about "scroungers" and "thieves" to get the public on side. Meanwhile, the DWP was ignoring that their new WCA had caused 600 suicides inside 3 years. And over 2300 deaths of people they had found fit for work inside 5 years.
Torys have always read from the nazi playbook, utterly fecking bizarre how it's taken this long for people to notice. Who knew Gary Lineker, of all people, would be the guy to open up people eyes to it finally.
Her role in that moment was a BBC journalist trying to explain both sides, not an advocate or charity rep. There was no endorsement of Stanley Johnson. Let's not blow her comments out of proportion.She said Stanley’s friends said it happened once.
The victim already said it happened multiple times over a long time frame.
She chose to undermine the female victim of domestic abuse and instead give the excuse of the abuser.
Tell me how that aligns with the role of a domestic abuse charity ambassador?
Do you think there’s a both sides argument? Boris Johnson’s mother went on record saying that the abuse went on for years. Where is the BBC’s guidelines does it say that the BBC presenter should minimise domestic violence to protect the reputation of the abuser? Since when is the distortion of facts a proponent of impartiality?Her role in that moment was a BBC journalist trying to explain both sides, not an advocate or charity rep. There was no endorsement of Stanley Johnson.
Maybe but her job in that moment as a journalist, was to report the allegation and the response, as best as she could. She wasnt endorsing it or expressing an opinion. Maybe she could have done it better but people are being far too eager to misrepresent or misunderstand what she was attempting to do. It is a minor slip that should not be turned into something it is not.Am I alone in thinking there is no "other side" to domestic abuse and there should be no context provided? Especially when the context is totally wrong in the first place
thats true its just the phrasing was a bit untactful. Friends saying its a “one off” bit. In addition to how it was said as if it was pre written / rehearsed makes it a worse look (for whoever wrote it for fiona bruce to say)Her role in that moment was a BBC journalist trying to explain both sides, not an advocate or charity rep. There was no endorsement of Stanley Johnson. Let's not blow her comments out of proportion.
Look, feel free to wind yourself up into a frenzy about what is at worst a small error.Do you think there’s a both sides argument? Boris Johnson’s mother went on record saying that the abuse went on for years. Where is the BBC’s guidelines does it say that the BBC presenter should minimise domestic violence to protect the reputation of the abuser? Since when is the distortion of facts a proponent of impartiality?
The whole point is that the BBC needs to stop “both siding” this crap. In an extreme example - if we had Hitler debated on question time, we don’t need someone who is an actual Nazi to refute the idea Hitler was evil.Her role in that moment was a BBC journalist trying to explain both sides, not an advocate or charity rep. There was no endorsement of Stanley Johnson. Let's not blow her comments out of proportion.
That’s what sticks in the throat about Bruce’s “right to reply” argument. If Stanley Johnson uses his right to reply and goes on record to say he strongly denies the allegations - that’s one thing. What happened was Bruce read out a carefully worded line:thats true its just the phrasing was a bit untactful. Friends saying its a “one off” bit. In addition to how it was said as if it was pre written / rehearsed makes it a worse look (for whoever wrote it for fiona bruce to say)
also if it was both sides/context should have mentioned that his first wife explicitly said it wasnt a one off.
The only quote available on the Johnson side, was that quote. "Only broke her nose the once" is pretty fecking damning enough IMO. Isn't it?No, she was playing it down.
With emphasis on"friends" saying it only happened once in a Tory newspaper. When the woman herself had said it happened more regularly.
That is a fair point but it's not a denial is it? And they aren't Bruce's words.That’s what sticks in the throat about Bruce’s “right to reply” argument. If Stanley Johnson uses his right to reply and goes on record to say he strongly denies the allegations - that’s one thing. What happened was Bruce read out a carefully worded line:
“Stanley Johnson has not commented publicly on that. Friends of his have said it did happen but it was a one-off.”
So Stanley Johnson has clearly decided not to use his right to reply, however Bruce is more than happy to include the hearsay from “friends of his”.
Do you think she needed to have a prepared statement ready to minimise it? Is it important that you give a domestic abuser the opportunity to give their side of the argument? Especially when their side of the argument isn’t a denial but a dismissal?The only quote available on the Johnson side, was that quote. "Only broke her nose the once" is pretty fecking damning enough IMO.
Yeah, I'm playing my Godwin card on that one.The whole point is that the BBC needs to stop “both siding” this crap. In an extreme example - if we had Hitler debated on question time, we don’t need someone who is an actual Nazi to refute the idea Hitler was evil.
He battered his wife! The rebuttal is “it’s only once” - that is not needed!
The BBC had to apologise yesterday for allowing Nadine Dorries to present actual lies for everyone without “both siding” the argument. The whole point is Bruce is complicit in framing the debate in a right wing way.
Unfortunately....I fully agree and stand with Gary Linaker.
I can see legal reasons why a prepared statement might be needed, yes. And let's remember, it's question time not a documentary or investigation into the allegations.Do you think she needed to have a prepared statement ready to minimise it? Is it important that you give a domestic abuser the opportunity to give their side of the argument? Especially when their side of the argument isn’t a denial but a dismissal?
This is revolting. Fecking hell.Tweet
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Unless the person Bruce is retorting to has said something wrong I don’t see why they felt the need for her to retort or why she should retort in the instance. Bruce retorting has made it look like she’s playing it down, especially due to what she retorts with.Do you think she needed to have a prepared statement ready to minimise it? Is it important that you give a domestic abuser the opportunity to give their side of the argument? Especially when their side of the argument isn’t a denial but a dismissal?
This this this.Unless the person Bruce is retorting to has said something wrong I don’t see why they felt the need for her to retort or why she should retort in the instance. Bruce retorting has made it look like she’s playing it down, especially due to what she retorts with.
He's permed.He's thread banned, just move on.
Aye, the English people are an absolute pushover for the ruling elite/aristocracy, until that is, you start trying to feck with footballYou’d have thought they learn their lesson with Rashford. You don’t bring your culture war to a working class game and expect it to be anything other than a resounding L.
I think I speak for 99.9999% of the forum when I say “good riddance”.He's permed.
In a thread about impartiality. Are you going to correct the record on the two false allegations below?He's permed.
@ThehatchetMan, this isn't the place to do the wumming thing, and in any case your friend can't reply now.