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No, it did not.Better Call Saul had multiple episodes watching guys digging a hole in the ground. The series ended with a few episodes showing us that Saul likes to scheme.
No, it did not.Better Call Saul had multiple episodes watching guys digging a hole in the ground. The series ended with a few episodes showing us that Saul likes to scheme.
Not whole episodes. Just large parts of multiple episodes for a story you needed to watch Breaking Bad to understand or care about and contained zero character development.No, it did not.
The lab scenes introduced Werner, which is what unlocked Lalo learning more about what Gus was doing and ultimately led to that showdown. That's not even mentioning the impact Werner had on Mike and how we see his character.Not whole episodes. Just large parts of multiple episodes for a story you needed to watch Breaking Bad to understand or care about and contained zero character development.
I thought we were doing hyperbole when you said Breaking Bad had Jessie wandering around homeless for four episodes. Something that led to him meeting his girlfriend that Walter let die. You know, a huge part of the show and the characters motivation. As opposed to finding out how a lab was built that surely nobody gave a feck about.
Don’t get me started on how a Mexican drug lord put all that together like he was the worlds greatest detective.The lab scenes introduced Werner, which is what unlocked Lalo learning more about what Gus was doing and ultimately led to that showdown. That's not even mentioning the impact Werner had on Mike and how we see his character.
Everything in BCS had a point. Everything. Which is why people praise the writing as being better than BB, even if the show overall might not quite have hit the same heights.
They're no dummiesDon’t get me started on how a Mexican drug lord put all that together like he was the worlds greatest detective.
Mike’s character didn’t change a jot.
Really? He'd only killed someone as revenge before that moment with Werner, that was his true breaking bad moment and it tore him apart.Don’t get me started on how a Mexican drug lord put all that together like he was the worlds greatest detective.
Mike’s character didn’t change a jot.
When Mike was in Breaking Bad he was a former crooked cop with a sense of loyalty to his men who did what he did to provide for his granddaughter. In Better Call Saul he started out as a former crooked cop with a sense of loyalty to his men who did what he did to provide for his granddaughter. When it ended he was…….well you get the point. What you’ve outlined there are things that happened to him.Really? He'd only killed someone as revenge before that moment with Werner, that was his true breaking bad moment and it tore him apart.
He then quit working for Gus, went on an alcoholic binge, fell out with his granddaughter and stepdaughter then wound up being stabbed and almost dying.
No. It's what the Germans were doing, but the show didn't literally show you men digging a hole for multiple scenes.Not whole episodes. Just large parts of multiple episodes for a story you needed to watch Breaking Bad to understand or care about and contained zero character development.
I thought we were doing hyperbole when you said Breaking Bad had Jessie wandering around homeless for four episodes. Something that led to him meeting his girlfriend that Walter let die. You know, a huge part of the show and the characters motivation. As opposed to finding out how a lab was built that surely nobody gave a feck about.
True, there's multiple inconsistencies with BB.I also don’t fully understand why Lalo was so fixated on this underground building. Did he know it was a meth lab? Why did it matter? The cartel already knew he had his own meth supply. They knew that from the flashback in Breaking Bad that happened before Better Call Saul.
None of that amounts to anything meaningful. Mike and Gus before Lalo are pretty much the same people as Mike and Gus after Lalo.The lab scenes introduced Werner, which is what unlocked Lalo learning more about what Gus was doing and ultimately led to that showdown. That's not even mentioning the impact Werner had on Mike and how we see his character.
This may be a matter of perspective. To me and others, killing someone and committing multiple crimes as a corrupt cop is already being bad.Really? He'd only killed someone as revenge before that moment with Werner, that was his true breaking bad moment and it tore him apart.
What you are saying is Jimmy is a more complex character than Walt. I agree.Breaking Bad has a much better story because the writers are more committed to their premise. It's a simple "turn a good guy into a bad guy" premise. Every season they put Walt in a scenario where his life (and/or Jesse's) is in serious danger, and he finds a way out by committing a morally terrible act. He internalizes this terrible thing, it turns him into a worse person, and then the next time he's faced with the same choice, he can make that choice more easily. It's a simple structure, they never waver from it, it allows them to develop Walt naturally so that he goes from a sadsack in S1 to Satan in S5.
Better Call Saul just doesn't have that commitment. They waver. Jimmy will scam an old lady and walk it back the next episode. He'll con Chuck, then confess to him. He'll say he'll never let "doing the right thing" stop him again, and continues to let the right thing stop him. The clear moral choices from Breaking Bad are replaced with contrivances and coincidence.
I'm doing a rewatch of BB at the moment and I'm actually surprised (first rewatch in 3/4 years) at how much happens per season (especially the first season) considering how people reference how slow it is.Saying BB had filler episodes while bigging up BCS is ridiculous. If BB didn't have "fly" episode I am sure no one would even remember one filler episode.
Yeah, I could never counter people on that before rewatching it last year. They literally start cooking meth after few episodes.I'm doing a rewatch of BB at the moment and I'm actually surprised (first rewatch in 3/4 years) at how much happens per season (especially the first season) considering how people reference how slow it is.
I can only assume it was a lot of peoples first introduction to serials after years of watching procedural cop shows where they catch a serial killer every week. Walt murders two people in the first few episodes.I'm doing a rewatch of BB at the moment and I'm actually surprised (first rewatch in 3/4 years) at how much happens per season (especially the first season) considering how people reference how slow it is.
The Sopranos was kind of a big deal.I can only assume it was a lot of peoples first introduction to serials after years of watching procedural cop shows where they catch a serial killer every week. Walt murders two people in the first few episodes.
I don’t think it reached the masses the way Breaking Bad did.The Sopranos was kind of a big deal.
Sopranos had more viewers for the final episode than Breaking Bad (and more viewers overall). They were both iconic shows.I don’t think it reached the masses the way Breaking Bad did.
It did.I don’t think it reached the masses the way Breaking Bad did.
Perhaps live. Breaking Bad is on Netflix all over the world though. I highly doubt more people have seen The Sopranos than Breaking Bad.Sopranos had more viewers for the final episode than Breaking Bad (and more viewers overall). They were both iconic shows.
I don’t think it did.It did.
Not even close, but it didn't exist as Netflix boomed so it's a mute comparison. Breaking Bad's explosion in that final season was legit unparrareled, I think. Gradual growth and then just went insanity.... it's like some random striker going 10-15-20-30 goals.... then smashing in 80 out of nowhere.It did.
Just don’t think so. Sopranos was just a bigger cultural icon / event than BB as they aired live. Having lived as an adult through both, it’s not particularly close for me.Not even close, but it didn't exist as Netflix boomed so it's a mute comparison. Breaking Bad's explosion in that final season was legit unparrareled, I think. Gradual growth and then just went insanity.... it's like some random striker going 10-15-20-30 goals.... then smashing in 80 out of nowhere.
Then shouldn't the final episode ratings have been higher than the Sopranos? By the time they wrapped, both were massive in popular culture.Not even close, but it didn't exist as Netflix boomed so it's a mute comparison. Breaking Bad's explosion in that final season was legit unparrareled, I think. Gradual growth and then just went insanity.... it's like some random striker going 10-15-20-30 goals.... then smashing in 80 out of nowhere.
Agreed. I watched both and, at least in the USA, I recall more buzz around the final episode of the Sopranos than BB.Just don’t think so. Sopranos was just a bigger cultural icon / event than BB as they aired live. Having lived as an adult through both, it’s not particularly close for me.
He isn't a more complex character. Just a more inconsistent one.What you are saying is Jimmy is a more complex character than Walt. I agree.
No. Ratings tell a vague story, but to compare finales 6 years apart when the landscape had massively massively shifted isn't a fair comparison. Sopranos wasn't even at it's actually own peak of popularity for it's finale, in America and especially not worldwide, where it wasn't even aired until months later unless you torrented, and it usually wasn't even the most popular torrent of the week at the time for episodic TV (24 & LOST).Then shouldn't the final episode ratings have been higher than the Sopranos? By the time they wrapped, both were massive in popular culture.
Sorry, but this is just recency bias. By this logic, Star Wars really wasn't that big of a thing compared to say ... Avengers, because "social media" and "Netflix".No. Ratings tell a vague story, but to compare finales 6 years apart when the landscape had massively massively shifted isn't a fair comparison. Sopranos wasn't even at it's actually own peak of popularity for it's finale, in America and especially not worldwide, where it wasn't even aired until months later unless you torrented, and it usually wasn't even the most popular torrent of the week at the time for episodic TV (24 & LOST).
Breaking Bad's final 5b season was mesmeric growth, utterly unheard of and unmatched for sheer speed in how massive it went so quickly. People were binging the whole series to catch up before every new episode of that series. Obviously in terms of pure popularity, Game of Thrones has obiliterated it again, but that was steady growth season on season.
I'm not talking runs as a whole either, just the endings. I was a pretty die hard Sopranos fan throughout most of it's run(still am!), I just don't think it was on the same scale, but how can you be, MySpace was the prime social media when one ended.... Breaking Bad was also just far more accessible to the casual view.