Without Saul, there is no Heisenberg. He teached/helped WW how to do crime the right way.That doesn’t explain why he then tried to take the blame for Walter White and things he played zero part in. He wasn’t even laundering money for him in the end. That was Skylar.
I would disagree. He made an introduction to Gus. Aside from that he was just a crooked lawyer.Without Saul, there is no Heisenberg. He teached/helped WW how to do crime the right way.
Saul had a part on everything. Directly or indirectly.
Maybe he felt proud of his accomplishments (creating Heisenberg) and wanted the recognition it deserved.
The ending was stupid though.
Talking your way into life in prison instead of just 7 years, just to show he can feel guilty too.
Could have just spend his life helping people in legal need, for free. Better way to repent.
Yeah I hated it to be honest, felt a little ham-fisted.The ending was stupid though.
Talking your way into life in prison instead of just 7 years, just to show he can feel guilty too.
Could have just spend his life helping people in legal need, for free. Better way to repent.
Good point. She probably blamed him, most likely exaggerated his roleHis assistant said that Skyler took a deal and I'd imagine she gave them a lot on Saul.
All he did was make an intro to someone himself didn’t directly know.Without Saul, there is no Heisenberg. He teached/helped WW how to do crime the right way.
Saul had a part on everything. Directly or indirectly.
Maybe he felt proud of his accomplishments (creating Heisenberg) and wanted the recognition it deserved.
The ending was stupid though.
Talking your way into life in prison instead of just 7 years, just to show he can feel guilty too.
Could have just spend his life helping people in legal need, for free. Better way to repent.
That’s what I put suspend the belief part in for, it’s not overly the point of his confession. But it’d hardly be the hardest one to work around anyway (Kim not being able to get charged that is) after working himself down to 7 years just previously.Didnt they imply a couple of episodes ago (when Gene phoned his former secretary) that the authorities uncovered pretty much everything in the aftermath of BB?
How does his confession stop Kim from being liable to civil suits?
Did I miss something or this is just assumed?
I understood the ending as Jimmy wanting to show Kim he wasnt a cnut after hearing she'd confessed.
I think this hits the nail on the head.I thought it was a good ending in the context of the arc of Better Call Saul.
Almost all the time was spent with Jimmy who was shown as a redeemable character with moral flaws unlike Saul who was thoroughly morally corrupt. So giving Jimmy a grim ending or Saul a 'win' of sorts. A long prison sentence balances out the both version of the characters. Saul/Jimmy will seemingly have a relatively comfortable life in Prison but will never get to live as a free man again.
I think it has been inferred quite heavily that he didn't consider what he or Kim had been reduced to as much of a life. Then when it showed him in prison, he was doing almost exactly what he'd been doing in the prison of a life he'd built himself as Gene. For him there was little difference, except he no longer had to look over his shoulder all the time for fear of being caught.The ending was stupid though.
Talking your way into life in prison instead of just 7 years, just to show he can feel guilty too.
Could have just spend his life helping people in legal need, for free. Better way to repent.
Yes. Or a prison break type of series when all the inmates help Jimmy dig a tunnel under his cell and cover the hole with an Raquel Welch poster.Doubt many will agree with me but…
I think that ending left the door ajar for a reboot and I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back to it in a few years time. A little into the future with Kim still as his lawyer and a loophole to get him out
I think getting Kim and Jesse in a scene together might have more to it than meets the eye too
Guess Saul was pretty sloppy then in covering his tracks.Didnt they imply a couple of episodes ago (when Gene phoned his former secretary) that the authorities uncovered pretty much everything in the aftermath of BB?
How does his confession stop Kim from being liable to civil suits?
Did I miss something or this is just assumed?
I understood the ending as Jimmy wanting to show Kim he wasnt a cnut after hearing she'd confessed.
No chance, the spin off series we all want to see is Walter White Jr.Doubt many will agree with me but…
I think that ending left the door ajar for a reboot and I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back to it in a few years time. A little into the future with Kim still as his lawyer and a loophole to get him out
I think getting Kim and Jesse in a scene together might have more to it than meets the eye too
But he wouldnt stop Kim from getting sued. A written admission does just that, regardless of if Jimmy is a bigger fish or not.I liked the ending. The question throughout the show has been whether the character was more Jimmy or Saul, and what made him that way.
For the first time in his life, he was accountable for his actions. He stopped Kim from being sued (as he would become the more-obvious target for a lawsuit) and got her back in his life. He improved his lot (as he was already in a prison of sorts), whilst getting what he actually deserved and proving his brother wrong that he would always take the easiest route in life.
This. He simply wanted to regain some respect with her. "Turn yourself in" - well he didn't but his admission about his role had a similar effect.I really fail to see this "Jimmy helped Kim" angle a lot of you saw in the ending.
I think that was to show a person with genuine contempt for 'Saul' to contrast against the scene with Charles, where it appears he was genuinely interested in Jimmy's practice. This highlights that it wasn't Charles looking down on Jimmy, but Jimmy's own insecurity that started the conflict between the two.That's me. I watched about 3-4 episodes of BB before deciding it wasn't for me. It was too relentlessly grim at that stage and I knew it was only going to become more so. I chose to watch BCS because I am a fan of Bob Odenkirk. I've been watching his stuff since I first saw him as Larry Sanders' slimeball agent Stevie Grant in the mid 90s.
The only bit of the series that I didn't really understand the context of was in this final episode, where he was in some kind of bunker with Walter White I didn't know when or where that was supposed to be taking place.
Chuck did look down on Jimmy. He said he wasn't a real lawyer and blocked him working in HHM.I think that was to show a person with genuine contempt for 'Saul' to contrast against the scene with Charles, where it appears he was genuinely interested in Jimmy's practice. This highlights that it wasn't Charles looking down on Jimmy, but Jimmy's own insecurity that started the conflict between the two.
Yes, but I read the scene as being one of the first times Jimmy did the delivery, when the relationship was much better. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that, even in S1, it's far later down that proverbial road when Chuck and Jimmy are much more separated.Chuck did look down on Jimmy. He said he wasn't a real lawyer and blocked him working in HHM.
Fair enough. To me, it positioned him as the lowest-hanging fruit and the easiest to beat in court, given he had been sentenced to being a pivotal drug-baron enabler and a proven manipulator in a court of law. He admitted to being the real reason that Howard was killed, so there would be next to no risk of suing him.But he wouldnt stop Kim from getting sued. A written admission does just that, regardless of if Jimmy is a bigger fish or not.
And you'd normally target whoever has the funds to pay the most damages in a civil suit.
I really fail to see this "Jimmy helped Kim" angle a lot of you saw in the ending.
Their relationship wasnt linear. The vetoing of Jimmy working in HHM was earlier (couple of years?) than the scene where Chuck showed interest in Jimmy's work - when he had already quit HHM and is a public defender. I think Chuck always viewed him as mainly a grifter looking for the easy way, although that last scene is somewhat of a higher point in their interactionsYes, but I read the scene as being one of the first times Jimmy did the delivery, when the relationship was much better. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that, even in S1, it's far later down that proverbial road when Chuck and Jimmy are much more separated.
I think one of the show's running themes was that there is no determinism, just a series of choices that each character makes.I think that was to show a person with genuine contempt for 'Saul' to contrast against the scene with Charles, where it appears he was genuinely interested in Jimmy's practice. This highlights that it wasn't Charles looking down on Jimmy, but Jimmy's own insecurity that started the conflict between the two.
Also, just thinking about it again - the scene is another 'what could have been' scenario, were it not for hubris. In this case it's Walt's hubris that would have stopped him from going to Jimmy/Saul to go after Grey Matter. We know, from the previous seasons how far Jimmy was willing to go on suits like that and so could have made both him and Walt millions in a far more legitimate manner.That's me. I watched about 3-4 episodes of BB before deciding it wasn't for me. It was too relentlessly grim at that stage and I knew it was only going to become more so. I chose to watch BCS because I am a fan of Bob Odenkirk. I've been watching his stuff since I first saw him as Larry Sanders' slimeball agent Stevie Grant in the mid 90s.
The only bit of the series that I didn't really understand the context of was in this final episode, where he was in some kind of bunker with Walter White I didn't know when or where that was supposed to be taking place.
Absolutely! He could have taken the 7.5yrs as Saul, but essentially be doomed to being Saul for the rest of his life. There, he's doomed to spend the rest of his life in prison, but he's free of that Saul persona.I think this hits the nail on the head.
There’s a disconnect with Jimmy McGill and Saul Goodman, and in the end Jimmy came through and did the right thing
No matter how you put it, it's unrealistic ending as no person would chose this over spending 7 years in a federal prison.Absolutely! He could have taken the 7.5yrs as Saul, but essentially be doomed to being Saul for the rest of his life. There, he's doomed to spend the rest of his life in prison, but he's free of that Saul persona.
The likely settlement amount that would result from this lawsuit would be diluted, would it not? As Kim is now not solely responsible, and actually has a lesser role according to Jimmy's new testimony, they cannot ask for full damages just from her I would have thought.But he wouldnt stop Kim from getting sued. A written admission does just that, regardless of if Jimmy is a bigger fish or not.
And you'd normally target whoever has the funds to pay the most damages in a civil suit.
I really fail to see this "Jimmy helped Kim" angle a lot of you saw in the ending.
For Jimmy it would be worth it to know he's redeemed himself in Kim's eyes.No matter how you put it, it's unrealistic ending as no person would chose this over spending 7 years in a federal prison.
I get that that's the point of the story, but he was willing to kill a person to save his own skin right before his arrest.For Jimmy it would be worth it to know he's redeemed himself in Kim's eyes.
He wasn’t because he didntI get that that's the point of the story, but he was willing to kill a person to save his own skin right before his arrest.
Tbf, I am not sure if he was thinking that, or about tieing her.I get that that's the point of the story, but he was willing to kill a person to save his own skin right before his arrest.
Wasnt he holding a bottle or vase right over the guy's head before he fell asleep again?He wasn’t because he didnt
No, I'm talking about the bloke with cancer.Tbf, I am not sure if he was thinking that, or about tieing her.
Maybe he wanted to knock him out?Wasnt he holding a bottle or vase right over the guy's head before he fell asleep again?
No, I'm talking about the bloke with cancer.
Sure, ideally. But both us know an attempt to do such a thing can be deadly. I know it's fiction, but it's not a cartoon either. Thats why I found his redemption strange, because there was no development towards it. We saw him become more evil towards the end.Maybe he wanted to knock him out?
I agree about the weird redemption, just wasn't sure he really meant to kill, although he appeared to be fine with that as a side effect.Sure, ideally. But both us know an attempt to do such a thing can be deadly. I know it's fiction, but it's not a cartoon either. Thats why I found his redemption strange, because there was no development towards it. We saw him become more evil towards the end.
Agreed.I agree about the weird redemption, just wasn't sure he really meant to kill, although he appeared to be fine with that as a side effect.
Well maybe not for a genuine 100% reality point of view... but in the universe, you've been invested in for over 100 hours if you've watched both and most certainly how Saul/Jimmy can swindle legal aspects his way in BCS alone. You should comfortably be able to imagine him somehow making sure Kim is protected from further cases.... given it's generally the whole purpose of his u-turn, which again, is more or less the point anyway... or maybe he did his best and it was pointless anyway, maybe Hamlin's wife didn't bother, maybe she did and it's not mentioned in the final scene.... they should of just killed them all.But he wouldnt stop Kim from getting sued. A written admission does just that, regardless of if Jimmy is a bigger fish or not.
And you'd normally target whoever has the funds to pay the most damages in a civil suit.
I really fail to see this "Jimmy helped Kim" angle a lot of you saw in the ending.
Wasn’t him becoming more evil to do withSure, ideally. But both us know an attempt to do such a thing can be deadly. I know it's fiction, but it's not a cartoon either. Thats why I found his redemption strange, because there was no development towards it. We saw him become more evil towards the end.
Good point!Wasn’t him becoming more evil to do withThat phone call where Kim rejects him. So it’s arguable Kim would be the only one who could turn him back to the light
