Television Better Call Saul | Includes Breaking Bad Spoilers

crappycraperson said:
I thought it was a good ending in the context of the arc of Better Call Saul.

Almost all the time was spent with Jimmy who was shown as a redeemable character with moral flaws unlike Saul who was thoroughly morally corrupt. So giving Jimmy a grim ending or Saul a 'win' of sorts. A long prison sentence balances out the both version of the characters. Saul/Jimmy will seemingly have a relatively comfortable life in Prison but will never get to live as a free man again.
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I think this hits the nail on the head.

There’s a disconnect with Jimmy McGill and Saul Goodman, and in the end Jimmy came through and did the right thing
 
George Owen said:
The ending was stupid though.

Talking your way into life in prison instead of just 7 years, just to show he can feel guilty too.

Could have just spend his life helping people in legal need, for free. Better way to repent.
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I think it has been inferred quite heavily that he didn't consider what he or Kim had been reduced to as much of a life. Then when it showed him in prison, he was doing almost exactly what he'd been doing in the prison of a life he'd built himself as Gene. For him there was little difference, except he no longer had to look over his shoulder all the time for fear of being caught.
 
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Doubt many will agree with me but…

I think that ending left the door ajar for a reboot and I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back to it in a few years time. A little into the future with Kim still as his lawyer and a loophole to get him out

I think getting Kim and Jesse in a scene together might have more to it than meets the eye too
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Doubt many will agree with me but…

I think that ending left the door ajar for a reboot and I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back to it in a few years time. A little into the future with Kim still as his lawyer and a loophole to get him out

I think getting Kim and Jesse in a scene together might have more to it than meets the eye too
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Yes. Or a prison break type of series when all the inmates help Jimmy dig a tunnel under his cell and cover the hole with an Raquel Welch poster.
 
VanDeBank said:
Didnt they imply a couple of episodes ago (when Gene phoned his former secretary) that the authorities uncovered pretty much everything in the aftermath of BB?

How does his confession stop Kim from being liable to civil suits?

Did I miss something or this is just assumed?

I understood the ending as Jimmy wanting to show Kim he wasnt a cnut after hearing she'd confessed.
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Guess Saul was pretty sloppy then in covering his tracks.

I mean, the DEA knew he was a dirty lawyer even prior events of Ozymandias.

But, I guess Ozymandias happened so fast that he couldn't clean up on time.

It would have been better if they had backstory on how they were able to prove how his guilt
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Doubt many will agree with me but…

I think that ending left the door ajar for a reboot and I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back to it in a few years time. A little into the future with Kim still as his lawyer and a loophole to get him out

I think getting Kim and Jesse in a scene together might have more to it than meets the eye too
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No chance, the spin off series we all want to see is Walter White Jr.
 
I liked the ending. The question throughout the show has been whether the character was more Jimmy or Saul, and what made him that way.

For the first time in his life, he was accountable for his actions. He stopped Kim from being sued (as he would become the more-obvious target for a lawsuit) and got her back in his life. He improved his lot (as he was already in a prison of sorts), whilst getting what he actually deserved and proving his brother wrong that he would always take the easiest route in life.
 
goalscholes said:
I liked the ending. The question throughout the show has been whether the character was more Jimmy or Saul, and what made him that way.

For the first time in his life, he was accountable for his actions. He stopped Kim from being sued (as he would become the more-obvious target for a lawsuit) and got her back in his life. He improved his lot (as he was already in a prison of sorts), whilst getting what he actually deserved and proving his brother wrong that he would always take the easiest route in life.
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But he wouldnt stop Kim from getting sued. A written admission does just that, regardless of if Jimmy is a bigger fish or not.

And you'd normally target whoever has the funds to pay the most damages in a civil suit.

I really fail to see this "Jimmy helped Kim" angle a lot of you saw in the ending.
 
decorativeed said:
That's me. I watched about 3-4 episodes of BB before deciding it wasn't for me. It was too relentlessly grim at that stage and I knew it was only going to become more so. I chose to watch BCS because I am a fan of Bob Odenkirk. I've been watching his stuff since I first saw him as Larry Sanders' slimeball agent Stevie Grant in the mid 90s.

The only bit of the series that I didn't really understand the context of was in this final episode, where he was in some kind of bunker with Walter White I didn't know when or where that was supposed to be taking place.
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I think that was to show a person with genuine contempt for 'Saul' to contrast against the scene with Charles, where it appears he was genuinely interested in Jimmy's practice. This highlights that it wasn't Charles looking down on Jimmy, but Jimmy's own insecurity that started the conflict between the two.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I think that was to show a person with genuine contempt for 'Saul' to contrast against the scene with Charles, where it appears he was genuinely interested in Jimmy's practice. This highlights that it wasn't Charles looking down on Jimmy, but Jimmy's own insecurity that started the conflict between the two.
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Chuck did look down on Jimmy. He said he wasn't a real lawyer and blocked him working in HHM.
 
The Firestarter said:
Chuck did look down on Jimmy. He said he wasn't a real lawyer and blocked him working in HHM.
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Yes, but I read the scene as being one of the first times Jimmy did the delivery, when the relationship was much better. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that, even in S1, it's far later down that proverbial road when Chuck and Jimmy are much more separated.
 
VanDeBank said:
But he wouldnt stop Kim from getting sued. A written admission does just that, regardless of if Jimmy is a bigger fish or not.

And you'd normally target whoever has the funds to pay the most damages in a civil suit.

I really fail to see this "Jimmy helped Kim" angle a lot of you saw in the ending.
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Fair enough. To me, it positioned him as the lowest-hanging fruit and the easiest to beat in court, given he had been sentenced to being a pivotal drug-baron enabler and a proven manipulator in a court of law. He admitted to being the real reason that Howard was killed, so there would be next to no risk of suing him.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Yes, but I read the scene as being one of the first times Jimmy did the delivery, when the relationship was much better. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that, even in S1, it's far later down that proverbial road when Chuck and Jimmy are much more separated.
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Their relationship wasnt linear. The vetoing of Jimmy working in HHM was earlier (couple of years?) than the scene where Chuck showed interest in Jimmy's work - when he had already quit HHM and is a public defender. I think Chuck always viewed him as mainly a grifter looking for the easy way, although that last scene is somewhat of a higher point in their interactions
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I think that was to show a person with genuine contempt for 'Saul' to contrast against the scene with Charles, where it appears he was genuinely interested in Jimmy's practice. This highlights that it wasn't Charles looking down on Jimmy, but Jimmy's own insecurity that started the conflict between the two.
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I think one of the show's running themes was that there is no determinism, just a series of choices that each character makes.

The scene, and the rest of the show, illustrated that both often had fixed, derministic views of the other, but there were times when better choices and an open mind could have fixed/ improved their relationship, if they were willing to have faith/ take the higher ground.
 
decorativeed said:
That's me. I watched about 3-4 episodes of BB before deciding it wasn't for me. It was too relentlessly grim at that stage and I knew it was only going to become more so. I chose to watch BCS because I am a fan of Bob Odenkirk. I've been watching his stuff since I first saw him as Larry Sanders' slimeball agent Stevie Grant in the mid 90s.

The only bit of the series that I didn't really understand the context of was in this final episode, where he was in some kind of bunker with Walter White I didn't know when or where that was supposed to be taking place.
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Also, just thinking about it again - the scene is another 'what could have been' scenario, were it not for hubris. In this case it's Walt's hubris that would have stopped him from going to Jimmy/Saul to go after Grey Matter. We know, from the previous seasons how far Jimmy was willing to go on suits like that and so could have made both him and Walt millions in a far more legitimate manner.
 
That'sHernandez said:
I think this hits the nail on the head.

There’s a disconnect with Jimmy McGill and Saul Goodman, and in the end Jimmy came through and did the right thing
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Absolutely! He could have taken the 7.5yrs as Saul, but essentially be doomed to being Saul for the rest of his life. There, he's doomed to spend the rest of his life in prison, but he's free of that Saul persona.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Absolutely! He could have taken the 7.5yrs as Saul, but essentially be doomed to being Saul for the rest of his life. There, he's doomed to spend the rest of his life in prison, but he's free of that Saul persona.
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No matter how you put it, it's unrealistic ending as no person would chose this over spending 7 years in a federal prison.
 
VanDeBank said:
But he wouldnt stop Kim from getting sued. A written admission does just that, regardless of if Jimmy is a bigger fish or not.

And you'd normally target whoever has the funds to pay the most damages in a civil suit.

I really fail to see this "Jimmy helped Kim" angle a lot of you saw in the ending.
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The likely settlement amount that would result from this lawsuit would be diluted, would it not? As Kim is now not solely responsible, and actually has a lesser role according to Jimmy's new testimony, they cannot ask for full damages just from her I would have thought.
 
The Firestarter said:
Maybe he wanted to knock him out?
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Sure, ideally. But both us know an attempt to do such a thing can be deadly. I know it's fiction, but it's not a cartoon either. Thats why I found his redemption strange, because there was no development towards it. We saw him become more evil towards the end.
 
VanDeBank said:
Sure, ideally. But both us know an attempt to do such a thing can be deadly. I know it's fiction, but it's not a cartoon either. Thats why I found his redemption strange, because there was no development towards it. We saw him become more evil towards the end.
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I agree about the weird redemption, just wasn't sure he really meant to kill, although he appeared to be fine with that as a side effect.
 
VanDeBank said:
But he wouldnt stop Kim from getting sued. A written admission does just that, regardless of if Jimmy is a bigger fish or not.

And you'd normally target whoever has the funds to pay the most damages in a civil suit.

I really fail to see this "Jimmy helped Kim" angle a lot of you saw in the ending.
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Well maybe not for a genuine 100% reality point of view... but in the universe, you've been invested in for over 100 hours if you've watched both and most certainly how Saul/Jimmy can swindle legal aspects his way in BCS alone. You should comfortably be able to imagine him somehow making sure Kim is protected from further cases.... given it's generally the whole purpose of his u-turn, which again, is more or less the point anyway... or maybe he did his best and it was pointless anyway, maybe Hamlin's wife didn't bother, maybe she did and it's not mentioned in the final scene.... they should of just killed them all.
 
VanDeBank said:
Sure, ideally. But both us know an attempt to do such a thing can be deadly. I know it's fiction, but it's not a cartoon either. Thats why I found his redemption strange, because there was no development towards it. We saw him become more evil towards the end.
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Wasn’t him becoming more evil to do with
That phone call where Kim rejects him. So it’s arguable Kim would be the only one who could turn him back to the light
 
Good ending. Glad he had a redemption as his character had become pretty unlikeable towards the end. The cigarette moment was a nice touch.
 
Why is this show popular with Buddhists?
DeGea’sFeet said:
Wasn’t him becoming more evil to do with
That phone call where Kim rejects him. So it’s arguable Kim would be the only one who could turn him back to the light
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Good point!
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Absolutely! He could have taken the 7.5yrs as Saul, but essentially be doomed to being Saul for the rest of his life. There, he's doomed to spend the rest of his life in prison, but he's free of that Saul persona.
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What does this mean? Having to spend the rest of his life in prison is definitely the worst thing that could happen to him. It would be more logical for anyone in his position to prefer to die, than to live in prison forever. After all, as a lawyer he'd have no delusions about life in prison. You certainly cannot "just be yourself" if you are imprisoned for life!
 
frostbite said:
What does this mean? Having to spend the rest of his life in prison is definitely the worst thing that could happen to him. It would be more logical for anyone in his position to prefer to die, than to live in prison forever. After all, as a lawyer he'd have no delusions about life in prison. You certainly cannot "just be yourself" if you are imprisoned for life!
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Also, he is definlety not free of the Saul persona, at all. He will spend the rest of his life, surrounded by people who only knows him and calls him as Saul Goodman.
 
frostbite said:
What does this mean? Having to spend the rest of his life in prison is definitely the worst thing that could happen to him. It would be more logical for anyone in his position to prefer to die, than to live in prison forever. After all, as a lawyer he'd have no delusions about life in prison. You certainly cannot "just be yourself" if you are imprisoned for life!
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George Owen said:
Also, he is definlety not free of the Saul persona, at all. He will spend the rest of his life, surrounded by people who only knows him and calls him as Saul Goodman.
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But he knows that Kim sees him as Jimmy again. That’s all that mattered to him. He spiralled to the point of bordering on violence and murder when she rejected him as Saul, now he knows she sees him again as Jimmy he can be at peace with that.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
But he knows that Kim sees him as Jimmy again. That’s all that mattered to him. He spiralled to the point of bordering on violence and murder when she rejected him as Saul, now he knows she sees him again as Jimmy he can be at peace with that.
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I had a bad crush on a woman once, but thank god I was never deluded like that! Who wants to spend his life in prison only to make a woman (who literally fecks someone else!) think of him as a nice moron?
 
frostbite said:
I had a bad crush on a woman once, but thank god I was never deluded like that! Who wants to spend his life in prison only to make a woman (who literally fecks someone else!) think of him as a nice moron?
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So Jimmy is the ultimate amazing person I admire!?
calodo2003 said:
Why is it? Count me as one of those Buddhists that enjoy it.
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No idea, I just noticed different posters with 'zen' in their name.
 
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I honestly hated the ending and that’s probably a good thing. He was living a crappy life as Gene, constantly looking over his shoulder. At least he did things on his own terms. Prison seemed pretty good for him. I could still do with a jail break and Huey piggy backing him to safety mini series.
 
For what it's worth, the head writer of the show said this about Kim being sued:

To your mind, do you think what Saul does in the hearing will get Kim out of legal trouble with Cheryl?
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No, I don’t. I think that Kim is on her own journey, and I think he knows that. He does feel bad about what’s happening with Cheryl. But I don’t think Kim would like it if Jimmy pulled some maneuver that protected her from Cheryl. He doesn’t save her; she saves her. They’re done with saving each other by this time.
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