Or from watching successful United teams for over twenty years being successful with that same mentality.
Bouhafsi: Martial wants to leave United
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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I'm as bothered as he looked most of last season.
It's great when fans of other clubs come in and tell the truth. As a United fan who'd hate to see him leave the club, it's crystal clear that he'll never fulfil his potential under Mourinho, and it's easy to understand why he wants to leave at this point. It's absolutely and utterly obvious that this is another case of a young player full of potential who'll come back to haunt Mourinho at a later point.
You need to keep in mind that you had quality players starting and fighting for places in the same time. Hazard, Oscar and Willian were better players than Salah and KDB at the time. As was Costa. We on the other side have Alexis who looks a shadow of his former self, Rashford who is s striker, Lingard and Mata. You would have been upset in the same position.
And that has feck all to do with the way how you conveniently measured game time for Martial.
Yeah that purple patch he had in November/December is enough for him to start every second game in the next 5 years despite doing feck all.
Sanchez has player better than Martial has since he joined though.
Anthony has never put him under pressure, you can't criticise Sanchez only to give Martial a free pass.
If anything, it's Rashford who should feel suubbed, even that's a stretch.
Mentality, desire, hunger etc are convenient words fans use to support their existing opinions about a player. You or me know square root of feckall about Martial's mentality. On top of it, we have a manager who loves to take a dump on individual players using these things so fans who want to, lap it up harder.
Look across town at the runaway league winners for instance. Leroy Sane and Raheem Sterling, Martial's counterparts. Hardly fecking Spartans, are they?
Great post, completely agree.
Has he? He's been rubbish, and it the same standard was applied he should have been benched. Better in what? Throwing his arms in the air, whenever his lobbed passes didn't work out? It should have been the other way round, Sanchez putting pressure on Martial, not our best winger being benched and putting pressure on the new big money signing who deserved feck all. Rashford should be lucky he got any game time at all, the way he performed when given a chance, with that pathetic selfish play against Brighton.
I think you’re deliberately misinterpreting what a warrior is. Sane and Sterling work their balls off in attacking areas which is Martial’s biggest issue. That can be assessed by simply using your eyes.
As for the other stuff there is a man who does see all the other things on a day to day basis. He’s the one not picking him? Has he just singled him out for no reason?
It's funny how an opposition fan gives one of the most reasonable assessments on here.
What if Sanchez doesn't? He was a big fish in a small pond at Udinese, had absolutely handed everything on a plate at Barcelona, I guess a winger has it easy with Messi tearing through the middle. At Arsenal everything was built around him, he hardly had to venture deep into his own half to bring the ball out from the back with Arsenal playing a high line and possession football most of the time, but it's not going to be the case at United. He already struggled to track back effectively, he has no pure pace either, his dribbling has been atrocious with him losing possession and him facing a crowded defence everytime due to our poor passing tempo.
Sanchez for City and Spurs alone had a better few months than Martial.
Sanchez struggled to settle, fair enough but to drop him for a player who's playing just as bad and could be gone in a few months?
Anthony didn't even play as a winger during this glorious 3 week period everybody keeps rambling on about. His form as a winger died around the Chelsea game, even then he was a super sub!
Just put pressure on Sanchez, if you see him struggling then give Jose an excuse to pick you. Not add to an ever growing excuse book as to why you're under performing.
We"we just lucky Sanchez didn't take his shirt number or fall out with his girlfriend again or else his career could be in jeopardy
It's bizzare. Fans were told we were signing the next Henry. Truth is he's been a disappointment... and it's not as if a he's **** figure either we're not talking a Ole or a Park. I really don't get it. Then again Kagawa had a following and all...so.......er...
As some of the new players of this club sink low into the gunners mentality zone, a lot of the fans sink along with them and some even further. When SAF bought Veron and proceed to bench Keane, Roy was like feck no, I'm not sitting on the bench in winter, he played himself back into the first eleven. That is the kind of attitude that win trophies. To be champions, you need talent and guts. Park doesn't have talent, but if Martial have half the guts Park posses, he will always start. It's normal for top clubs to acquire the best players if they are available. Top clubs are not going to say oh we don't want to offend player X and refuse to buy a player. It's up to the player continue to make himself relevant.
I know we have lot of people that love Martial more than they love the club, I love Martial too, but I want players that play like they cared. Last season, too many players played like they couldn't give a feck. I love Martial too but I love Man United more. Rooney and Ronaldo weren't just talented, my god, they played their asses off. When the going gets tough, they rise to the occasion. They don't fold into their shell and expect to start the following weekend.
I know we have lot of people that love Martial more than they love the club, I love Martial too, but I want players that play like they cared. Last season, too many players played like they couldn't give a feck. I love Martial too but I love Man United more. Rooney and Ronaldo weren't just talented, my god, they played their asses off. When the going gets tough, they rise to the occasion. They don't fold into their shell and expect to start the following weekend.
Why are people calling Sanchez a right winger ? Did he play on the right for Arsenal or Chile ?
There is a reason why almost all players do well in just one position, there are very few jack of all trades(even they would not be a starter due to them being a jack of all trades in the first place). Sanchez playing predominantly in his favoured position and Martial shunted out to right is not being given a fair crack of the whip.
Sanchez an experienced pro, who played a long time as a right winger was utterly crap in the few games he was moved to the right, how'd you expect a 22 yr old to suddenly do well in a completely different position?
He won a couple of player of the month awards though.
For Barca if I'm not mistaken.
He partially played there for all his teams but mainly for Barcelona.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/arsenal/...ing-sanchez-to-arsenal-right-wing-helped-form
Sanchez just looks busy because that's his style, him running around madly hardly improved our attacking threat, he just likes to run.
So not for a few years then .
Worked harder yes, better no
Mbappe is a youngster...This was always going to happen with Mourinho in charge. Rashford will be next. He’s shown time and again he doesn’t have time for youngsters.
If he goes, we better be bringing in a top class replacement. With the FFP issues at PSG, Mbappe please!
Yeah the only two games he didn't looked awful and that is enough? Are you serious, we bought the guy to help us in the CL, and complete our attack, he didn't do neither. And it's not his fault, but on the manager. Martial was playing very good, until he was moved to RW, don't fabricate things to suit your agenda. He embraced Jose challenge with him and Rashford and mainly came up on top, why would he been gone? And look at that logic, play the new 29 year old signing because our most promising attacker could leave in the summer if we don't play him? What kind of logic is that?
With what did Sanchez deserve to get that place from anyone never mind Martial? Because he is the new expensive toy? Well whether some admit that or not, it cost us a few result on the way, mainly the CL exit. It should have been the other way around, Alexis put on the RW and challenging players, simply because the team needed it, not unsettling the only good wing we had.
Mentioning the past stories where Martial was treated unfairly I'm not sure it helps the case, anyone would have been upset if their number is changed. Martial's supposed attitude problems is overstated now it seems, mainly to mask the blatantly poor management from Mourinho.
May be yes, but that doesn't mean it's right. What if Sanchez doesn't workout too after being given time?
No there is no in form players in FIFA, it's just numbers. So agree that Mourinho has not been fair with Martial this season?
No, he has played there for Arsenal too.
No you sack a manager for throwing the clubs ethos out the window and serving up terrible football.You ask what after Mourinho im not pshychic but i can guarantee better football will be a result of sacking Mourinho
This is how I felt as well. When Fergie was here he literally was the club. It was easy back then to say that no player is bigger than the manager, because our manager was the be all and end all of United.
Only after he’s gone, we have to come to terms with the fact that managers are an expendable part of the club and things don’t work out, same as with players. Managers are going to come and go now, just like players. We can’t invest everything in a manager and say that they are right beyond every other consideration any more.
Ashley Young is a prime reason why our left sided attackers struggle most of the time. Him doing well is not good for the club. The sooner we buy a left back who could stretch the play and can actually use his left foot, we'd be a lot better off.
Ok , thanks . I still don`t think of him as a right winger though , his best football for Arsenal and Chile has come when he plays on the left and as underwhelming as he has been I don`t think Martial has shown enough in matches to force his way into the team .
We won't be sacking Mourinho(if we ever are) because one player doesn't like him(may be if De Gea says so we might), it would be because of his poor performance or his inability to use our squad or him pissing off the entire squad.
Attacking movement is a weakness of his, part of the manager's job is to work on these things and improve players. As far as work rate goes, he puts a shift in.
Managers get stuff wrong. Especially someone like Jose who prefers his experienced "mentally strong" players. Jose has got it spectacularly wrong in the past so using his selections is hardly a great example.
Or you could look at it as Sanchez has hardly done enough to hold on this place..
Managers also get things right. Mourinho has a track record in winning so time will tell how this plays out.
But what if that new manager wants to sell Martial? What do we do then?
A lot of crap pundits use them as well.
He did for Barcelona I think.
His record is actually pretty good on the right, you can check it on transfermarkt and it was posted in his transfer thread too, if I'm not mistaken.
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