So by the same token the government should spend zero on your generation's education and healthcare until you start paying income tax in your teens or 20s.Brexited | the worst threads live the longest
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
So by the same token the government should spend zero on your generation's education and healthcare until you start paying income tax in your teens or 20s.It's one notch below 'will of the people' in the aggravation stakes.
No it isn't - the tax is theft argument is nonsense. If you're well-off and you pay tax then that tax ensures people are healthy which allows them to work and contribute to the economy, it ensures they're educated so allows them to work to a high standard (if we're talking purely in an economic sense here), and those same taxes also ensure you're secure by paying police.
Governments have plenty of inefficiency but again the idea the private sector is automatically better because it's incentivised is nonsense. The private sector is just as riddled as the public sector with incompetence, bureaucracy (within larger organisations) and nepotism with plenty of sectors/companies where knowing the right people is the best way to secure a better wage in the long-term. And these businesses are ultimately incentivised to do what's best for them: if that means hurting ordinary people along the way then they will do so if they get greater profits. You're confusing the incentive to make more money for a company with the incentive to do a public service.
In some departments (like health) we're having to spend more because the successes of that very service now mean that people live longer and so end up requiring more care. In a sense that need to spend more is the result of what's been done well.
And the reason people are unhappy is largely due to austerity. There have been literal UN reports into this and a ton of economists have condemned Tory measures over the years as unnecessary and often unhelpful. And yet they've persisted anyway because of an ideological drive that's hurt people along the way, all the while scapegoating other groups (like migrants) for problems they've created. The anger which led to Brexit is largely derived from that.
The government spending you condemn is largely what's made Britain the modern state it is today in the postwar era, even if there are a ton of problems that remain.
If you're working on the premise that the government are the body who should be spending money on Healthcare and Education (rather than merely regulating it), then it should be paid for by the 13 figure sovereign wealth fund that we should be sitting on. Naturally that's been squandered though.
His whole pitch seems to be, 'Vote for me, because I am younger than the others and used to work in technology.'
The bar is low and there appears no need to demonstrate leadership talent or any kind of (relevant) talent to enter this race. That all and sundry seems to think they should be prime minister is a pretty sad indictment of the Tory party and the country.
In fairness any aspiring Tory who witnessed the leadership of the past 14 years most surely think he/she is capable of better by default. Worth remembering this entire mess was started by a poor leader trying to sure up his position. Then the past 34 months they witnessed unquestioning loyalty to Maybot, who is less of a natural leader than a 5 year old with the only football in her class.
Given the circumstances just about anybody can feel they would do better...
Re: Cleese's recent remarks ~ former Smiths singer Morrissey seems to suffer from the same combination of self-righteousness and outdatedness:
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At least someone understand what he is on about and what he says doesn't even go against Brexit, you can Brexit but there is a way to do it and there is a clear goal to present in front of the average british population. People may not realize it but Tories plan is to benefit a small part of London while royally shaft the rest of the UK. Corbyn's socialist ideas are philosophically respectable but if I'm being honest I don't think that it's workable when you don't have an awful lot of natural resources, the UK would probably be better served with a very balanced approach and being part of the EU or EFTA is probably the easiest way to get that.
I've seen a handful of interviews with him and he has come across well in all of them. Seems far too sensible and likeable for the Tory party.
There’s nothing remotely special about Rory Stewart. He’s just your standard, cameronite, one nation Tory.
The Tory party’s shift to the right in recent years has just made him seem relatively moderate and sensible.
The Tory party’s shift to the right in recent years has just made him seem relatively moderate and sensible.
Looks like Eddie Redmayne.
Some 'interesting' views coming out of the woodwork last couple of days in here. At least claiming the NHS can't be underfunded isn't quite as mental as climate change denial.
I don't like him but when i was younger, I used to think he was a Labour party member. Blair sent him to Iraq as a governor or something.
Are you the people’s front of London?Cleese.
Eric Idle is anti Brexit. Nobody mentioned him.
True, and Labour's shift to the left adds to the impression.
Don't know about that. His speech on hedgehogs was pretty special.
Eerm. No.
Apparently he was a member of the Labour party as a teenager.
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Have a look at his voting record on welfare and see if you still think he's decent...
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Anyone who shits talk Reese Mogg can't be all that bad. He is a Tory though so he's probably got some dark evil plan room in his basement.
Far more relatable and sensible than the others, make him PM. The others probably get up to worse stuff behind closed doors anyway.
Yes, Tory MP's can smoke opium and it makes them quirky but poor people do it and they go to jail. Seems fair.
Gap yah.
Didn't say he was completely relatable but it goes to show how unrelatable the rest are
Most of the others will have done their fair share of drugs as well to be fair. Obviously not in contention now but Osborne was well-known as a proper coke fiend back in his uni days.
Yup, although comparing us to the likes of Norway is specious at best.
I think Stewart might be the first MP that appears to have a grasp of the facts around tariffs and WTO rules.
I wasn't comparing us to anyone. Opting to build our economy via the model of a ponzi scheme is insanity though.
Nah mate, The London People's Front.
Hard to astern his voting record without understanding what the whip position was.
The world is full of poor people who do drugs and never go to jail. It’s not as though he used his privilege to avoid prosecution anyway.
Yep, Morrissey is a deeply unpleasant man really, as that article makes clear. In fact I think it actually leaves some stuff out, like him telling Der Spiegel that refugees had made Germany the rape capital of Europe.
A musician friend of mine absolutely worshipped Morrisey growing up. He’s the same age as me (32) and up until just a few years ago he’d listen to his music on an almost daily basis.
He absolutely can’t stand him now, said he no longer thinks of his music as coming from the same tortured, complex, emotional genius that it once did and instead he can only hear the whinging of a miserable man who is equally self centred and self loathing.
He's determined to be notorious and, nowadays, his music can't get him the required attention.
Indeed, I think a lot of people feel like that. Especially given his personality is very much front and centre in his music.
In fact the real irony is that his anti-Thatcher, anti-Tory, anti-royalist, anti-capitalist, pro-vegan, pro animal welfare, pro-LGBT sentiments probably influenced many of his rather cultish fans into holding the sort of liberal, left wing beliefs he is now transgressing.
Like many of their supporters, Morrissey can't be bothered to look into the funding of Farage, Robinson etc etc. They're useful idiots, the tools of rich patrons; their 'convictions' are for sale.