He’s just responding to a poster saying “but the majority of people voted for it”, which isn’t even true.
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Even the vaccine is becoming a distasteful them and us scenario.You've found your Daily Express reader in VBS
For goodness sake. We are all human beings. And every life matters.
We will collectively only overcome this terrible pandemic when we are all suitability vaccinated because we all know how rapidly it can spread globally.
The only law I've seen us looking at changing so far are reducing (sorry, "reviewing") workers rights including 48 hour weeks, holiday entitlements and overtime pay. They've had to backtrack when everyone saw what they were trying to do. Trusting our government without oversight from the EU is actually the thing that scares me the most long term.
Unfortunately, the ramifications of the lies sold that day are still impacting people today and will continue to impact people for the forseeable future. So those complaining about getting on with it and harping on about how they had the majority, yada yada, (not you) maybe should be the ones getting on with it.
Exactly. Thank you.
You think it is done? 29 days in. How cute.
Now that is forensic!
Oh, I thought you were joking earlier.
It must be fun to be so deluded. Ignorance is bliss.
I think it’s still important to debate though, especially when the campaign and the current government have told a lot of lies to people and sold ideas with half truths and falsehoods.
otherwise when the next GE rolls around people still dont question what they are being told in campaigns and the Tory lie machine rolls on. The public need to kill this culture of political lies
It's not a case of liking or disliking EU laws, it's the freedom to be fully independent.
Yes indeed. So why didn't independent states act on their own?again
You clearly know that the UK was still in the EU when this all happened and that any member state could have done the same.
They trusted the EU.
I'm sure the freedom to fill in trade forms is much appreciated.
You are no more fully independent now than you were a year ago. You are not even more or less sovereign.
You are correct , it has nothing to do with Brexit but is being used as a political weapon and everyone should work together for the benefit of the whole world.
Legislation will come under scrutiny as trade deals are reviewed. Particularly small businesses will seek to benefit from possible cutting of red tape. We shall see. It is still very early days.
So I take it you cant name any, then?
You do realize that Brexit adds red tapes? It's a by-product of not being in a custom union/agreement.
Sorry but you think this CUTS red tape?! This is destroying small business because of the mountains of paperwork that they now have to encounter, which is a consequence of leaving the customs union etc.
We've only just completed the transition period. I think it was the tampon tax that was the first EU law abolished. A sovereign act, yes?
You obviously do not understand why there is the red tape, you voted for the red tape and it's not going away. Well done.
Possible cutting of red tape? They are being advised by government figures to spend more money, registering another company in Europe, paying taxes back to the EU, costing the British citizen more money. Brilliant. Vote brexit and it’ll be sooo easy to trade and make more money. Reality: spend money setting up in Europe and paying taxes to EU. The irony.
I'm talking about standards
No it's a legal act. If you weren't sovereign brexit wouldn't be a thing.
What's that got to do with trading with the EU or the rest of the world come to that, the UK is no longer in any custom's union whatsoever , the biggest mistake of all. If you change your standards as well there'll be even more red tape.I'm talking about standards
Can you give us a practical example?I'm talking about standards
It's a stupid question.
We've spent decades aligned with the EU. As we dethatch and go our separate way, we are free to legislate our own rules as and when they're beneficial.
You cannot say that a particular EU law is bad, if it is a requirement for full alignment.
Why do people bother with this guy? Look what he said all the way back in 2016
They couldn't, though.again
You clearly know that the UK was still in the EU when this all happened and that any member state could have done the same.
27 member states (all bar the UK) signed up to EU collective bargaining for vaccine supply and a common approval process. The sign off for each vaccine has to be done by each of the 27 and then by the overarching European Medicines Agency. If any of the 27 want to use a non-EU preferred vaccine such as Russia's Sputnik, they can go it alone, which is what Hungary are doing.
Inevitably, the EU process has been bureaucratic and slow, with a focus on price rather than speed.
The situation has been neatly summed up by Bild, a German cornerstone newspaper. Here's what it is saying today, courtesy of the Guido Fawkes Order Order website.
“What did these three do better?” screams Bild’s headline under Netanyahu, Boris and Trump. The text makes it clear:
“Since the beginning of the corona pandemic, this trio has been silently mocked and ridiculed by the German government and the EU Commission. When it came to getting vaccinated, they put Berlin and Brussels in the shade [they] have the most successful vaccination campaigns in the western world on their feet. The fact is: as of January 26, Israel had 32% of its citizens vaccinated against the corona virus at least once. In Great Britain it was at least 10.6%, in the USA 6%. For comparison: Germany has 2%, the entire EU has 1.9%. …
The loss of German confidence was not helped when the first German vaccinated was vaccinated in England. This humiliation is reconfirmed in the breathless copy of Peter Wilke, Bild’s UK reporter, exclaiming that whilst he had not received a vaccination appointment in his home town of Mühlheim, he was shocked to get an SMS text from the NHS, “Suddenly I got a vaccination appointment in England!”
Undoubtedly, the Government has made some poor decisions regarding the pandemic but I don't see how anyone can reasonably criticise their handling of the vaccination programme. We're also one of the biggest donors to worldwide efforts to stop the pandemic in developing nations.
I remember perfectly well, just a bit of fun. He'll be over the moon when he has his next period.Why do people bother with this guy? Look what he said all the way back in 2016
You literally contradict yourself.
No, it's a question you can't answer.
You've voted to crash us out of a bloc which has provided enormous economic and social benefits; you've voted to strip away the rights of millions of Britain's; you've voted to make us all worse off; and you can't give us a tangible benefit or reason why after over half a decade of talking about it.
But thank you, I guess, at least you have the confidence to own your decision – no matter how poor a one it was. Plenty of Brexiteers appear in here utterly convinced of all of the half baked bollocks spouted over the past few years but are too embarrassed to admit they voted for it.
Not quite, in fairness. He's right that for the likes of Pfizer and Astro-Zenica, individual countries can only sign contracts to get more doses after the EU has received it's full amount. Germany actually did do that with Pfizer.
However the countries weren't forced to sign up to the collective agreement in the first place. Any EU country could have gone on its own just like the UK did when it was still in the EU, but they decided not to. Sadly it looks like the EU did make a total balls up of the whole thing so it's not looking like a great idea right now for more powerful economies like Germany.
And what was wrong with what I said?Why do people bother with this guy? Look what he said all the way back in 2016
Especially compared to all the doom and gloom predicted after the referendum result, and when we left.
Eh.. all of it. It all turned out to be untrue.
To be fair to the guy , he does make a very valid point about the vaccinations . It is an example of how an independant country can act more quickly than a huge bloc needing universal approval prior to moving on a plan .
I think trying to quote Bild to lend yourself authority kind of says it all.
We're not going to agree and that's fine but this is what worries me. We're now trusting our government to change standards where previously there were protections in place. Whatever people can think about the EU it can't be denied that worker and people protections are a primary concern of them. Changing it to business protection is not great in my eyes.
Our government have already suggested "reviewing" workers rights as their very first move and that shows that they will be looking at eroding rights over the years. You turned that around earlier by saying businesses will benefit from those rule changes and they probably will, but turning us into the US with minimal protections, high prices on simple drugs and rampant capitalism is not going to benefit the vast majority of people. I don't think it's even guessing that we will go that way as the Conservatives haven't exactly been shy about comments about rights, the NHS, politicising courts etc in the last few years
Removing the EU as a protective mechanism in a country that is run by old-school politicians who still think manufacturing is the basis of our economy when it hasn't been for a couple of decades is very worrying for me.
I did answer it.
Let's break it down for you , and maybe you'll be able to see past James O'Brien for a minute.
Example
The UK wants an independent free trade deal with Australia. The EU says No. That is bad, or is it?
The UK signed up to all EU laws, and receives the benefits of membership.
There is a debate as to whether the positives of EU membership outweigh the negatives.
52% of voters chose to end EU membership, believing there were more positives in not being members.
The UK negotiates a free trade deal with Australia.
So here is a positive outcome of brexit made possibly as a result of freedom from EU law. Yes?
The counter argument is whether the cost of this out weighs the benefit of full EU membership.
We broke free 29 days ago, and the situation is nothing compared to what you have predicted for the last four years, and there's still a lot of wrinkles to iron out.
There'll be many more benefits to come, watch this space.
However, it is in the EU's interest, and our interest to make it work, and who knows, if the EU focuses again on a simple trading community between European countries, there's no reason why we couldn't rejoin.
The UK was following all EU regulations until the end of last year and chose to act independently, not that they could do so because of Brexit - any of the other countries in the EU could have done the same. Brexit had zero to do with it.
And this is the problem Balljy . We are in this position because we have not had a viable alternative since the last Labour government unravelled . For all the criticism of Bojo , Gove , Hancock et all , they were voted in above the shambles of the labour party . The lib dems may as well not exist for what they bring to oppostition . If brexit was voted for on a raft of lies , as many bang on about here , is it not equally true that the opposition did not put forward a credible argument for us to stay . It was close , damn close at the end , but to argue voting percentages after the event doesnt change the fact that brexit cma eout on top . Ive not heard too many arguments for us to change the way our polling is done since the result , by our mps , so im sure they are by and large happy with the way it works .
If Starmer and the others get their act together ( and its a pretty big IF at the moment from what i see) then maybe we can be persuaded to vote them in and see where it goes from there . A lot of the arguments on here , from both sides seem to be sour grapes from what i see , and this thread became very toxic at times in the run up to the vote .
There are positives and negatives for us in or out of the EU , but i think its too early to make judjement yet on if it works or not