But one of the rules of trade with or within the EU is FOM, everyone has to follow the same rules
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Because of the myriad of people who beleive you don't have a say if you didn't want to vote. It's why spoiling our ballet is encouraged if you are undecided.
There are, EFTA/EEA. But we're not getting that without freedom of movement.
Seriously... Why even bother at that point?Sounds like the most bizarre waste of time in the history of mankind. Just don't vote?
You can have trade agreements that don't include accessing the free market, your goods are subject to customs duties and the same thing with the EU's goods.
I'm aware of them, and they are proof that there is economic sense in allowing it, which is entirely my point?
Agreed. I see he said above its because "you don't have a say if you don't"... Well, he basically nullified any opinion he could of had, so he didn't help himself there.
Economic sense.... no! Get rid of FoM and the EU falls, how is that economically sound?
So let's break this down.
Boris spends months telling us that we spend £320m a week on the EU which he'd spend on the NHS (although we don't)
Boris tells us that immigration is a massive problem (even though it's not, 0.5% of our population)
Within hours of the leave vote winning, the Leave campaign admit that not only was the £320m claim a mistake, but also that immigration isn't likely to change at all.
Boris knew it was horseshit, hence signing a letter for Cameron to stay on since he would have to deal with the fallout. Why Boris? Why wouldn't you have the courage of your convictions and do it yourself?
Cameron resigns and says feck this Boris, you sort it out. I'm not being the fall guy for your lies.
Now Boris is back tracking, "well... the margin by which we voted to leave the EU was not entirely overwhelming...."
Boris spends months telling us that we spend £320m a week on the EU which he'd spend on the NHS (although we don't)
Boris tells us that immigration is a massive problem (even though it's not, 0.5% of our population)
Within hours of the leave vote winning, the Leave campaign admit that not only was the £320m claim a mistake, but also that immigration isn't likely to change at all.
Boris knew it was horseshit, hence signing a letter for Cameron to stay on since he would have to deal with the fallout. Why Boris? Why wouldn't you have the courage of your convictions and do it yourself?
Cameron resigns and says feck this Boris, you sort it out. I'm not being the fall guy for your lies.
Now Boris is back tracking, "well... the margin by which we voted to leave the EU was not entirely overwhelming...."
You have a say if you know you're going to spoil your vote, your say is to not make a difference.
You had that same say by staying at home and doing nothing. Seriously, the stupidity of this
And why was that? Nothing to do with the £250bn the BoE has allowed to be available to artificially pump up the economy & the value of sterling?
Am I to beleive none of you have ever heard of intentional spoiling of a ballot?
Stupid is as stupid does Sir.
But those would just be us giving up our veto in the EU, which is just wasteful. It's a worse deal than we have now.
Entrechat or fouetté?
If that was all that the EU was. But there are huge political aspects of being in the EU.
For sure, and it's idiotic, pointless and a massive waste of time, achieves absolutely nothing.
So does arguing on a forum about the usefulness of ballot spoiling but yet here you are.
Like?
They would continue applying to us. Whatever they are.
I'm really surprised that none of the leave voters acknowledge the big 2 lies, immigration won't stop and there's no £350m. It's as it they've collectively decided to forget those and argue about Trade agreements!
If these two doesn't matter, why else did the vote so?
If these two doesn't matter, why else did the vote so?
You don't think it's more democratic to discuss and decide upon certain things with 27 other nations? Or do you think the US model is a thing to be admired?
How are those gun law reforms going there?
I've heard of it. I just don't see the point of it.
"Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS."
The lying fecking weasel. He paraded on a bus for weeks trying to get us to believe that we have 350 million for the NHS and now look how uncomitted he is. We may have money to spend on the NHS potentially.
fecking joke.
The lying fecking weasel. He paraded on a bus for weeks trying to get us to believe that we have 350 million for the NHS and now look how uncomitted he is. We may have money to spend on the NHS potentially.
fecking joke.
If they ignore it, it will just go away... Right?
It is really bizarre. It's like lies can be condoned if it gets you what you want, on the basis of 'well the remain camp told some porkies too'. 'Hey baby it's okay for me to lie to you, your ex lied to you too'.
It's not mutually exclusive, leavers should be infuriated that the leave campaign has gone back on two of it's three main selling points.
Good for you.
Forgive me, which ones are problematic?
Edit: I just want your point of view, I won't argue it.
Of course I do, but ultimately the decision should be our own. The UN says hello.
Your justification doesn't hold up to any kind of scrutiny.
"If you don't vote, you don't have a say"
You basically didn't vote. Sure, you took the time to go and check a box, but wasting a piece of paper isn't voting.
It is. We have a veto, and we're about to set it on fire.
It was the same on the thread before the vote , if you challenged one, they ignore that and move onto the next one, add the economic meltdown which isn't going to happen, hello it is, or the fact that the EU doesn't make most of UK laws and you keep going round and round in circlesI'm really surprised that none of the leave voters acknowledge the big 2 lies, immigration won't stop and there's no £350m. It's as it they've collectively decided to forget those and argue about Trade agreements!
If these two doesn't matter, why else did the vote so?
Aspects (not all by any means) of human rights laws for example.
Which ones?
Well it seems to! Since nobody is talking about the backstabbing. Weird, ain't it?
No it shouldn't, it's a global World and each country affects all others. Some other countries should be telling to the US to grow up with it's gun law bullshit.
The sooner we start realising we share this World, the better we will be as a species.
And don't underestimate the veto in the case that something is hugely important to a country.
Normally when you spoil a vote your vote doesn't count, I guess it's the same outcome and I don't really understand the point of it. But each to their own.