BBC Reality Check: Have Leave campaigners changed their tune?
FlawlessThaw
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I had no idea that Brexit was the only cause of fluctuations in our economy, i do stand corrected.yea it's all just a total coincidence.
Also, global warming is a myth.
The economy was already in a dire state and close to stagnation. The entire world economy bar USA was which is why they've not had the balls to put up interest rates. IMF changing message and declaring austerity a mistake.You are still living in cloud cuckoo land then , scaremongering on the economy, no- fact everyone who had any sense told you that , no the economy wasn't slowing before the vote only because the markets feared the brexit as was said hundreds of times but deny deny deny - the pound has dropped 24 cents against the Euro since November - when are you going to wake up!!
As I've said on numerous , probably dozens now, occasions I don't have any politics, I don't have any fallout from the Brexit, just so damned annoyed that a bunch of idealists, idiots and racists have done this to the UK and they still keep denying it is their fault and still trying to blame it on others - still thinking something wonderful has happened to the UK.If you want to let your politics cloud your judgement, go right ahead.
Although you might find the two videos i posted on page 104...educational.
Will you please stop this. It's totally unacceptable, unnecessary and quite frankly getting boring.As I've said on numerous , probably dozens now, occasions I don't have any politics, I don't have any fallout from the Brexit, just so damned annoyed that a bunch of idealists, idiots and racists have done this to the UK and they still keep denying it is their fault and still trying to blame it on others - still thinking something wonderful has happened to the UK.
Not only has the economy crashed because of Brexit, both political parties are in turmoil, there are no leaders, you have a racist fool trying to destroy what little hope the UK have of recovering in the medium term and a blithering buffoon trying to become PM, and civil unrest developing to boot - welcome to GREAT Britain.
The Uk was doing well until the end of last year until the fears of Brexit loomed . Brexit said the Uk has to leave the EU because the EU was in stagnation and going to collapse - but the Euro of the stagnant EU has gained 20% against the pound, the Euro has gained 20% in value against the pound - have to keep repeating it it seemsThe economy was already in a dire state and close to stagnation. The entire world economy bar USA was which is why they've not had the balls to put up interest rates. IMF changing message and declaring austerity a mistake.
I'm not sure why you would pretend otherwise just to argue against a leave voter
It's always boring to Brexiters, the truth is always boring because Brexiters don't like the truth do theyWill you please stop this. It's totally unacceptable, unnecessary and quite frankly getting boring.
Insulting people just makes you look so childish and petty. Shall I attribute this to all Remainers or do you not think this would be fair.It's always boring to Brexiters, the truth is always boring because Brexiters don't like the truth do they
Innocent enquiry my arse.I had no idea that Brexit was the only cause of fluctuations in our economy, i do stand corrected.
Can a poster no longer make an innocent enquiry on this forum without being derided?
There are three categories to choose from -you don't have to be all three, otherwise you can tell me what the benefit of this fiasco is to the UK and I'll add another category if you can convince meInsulting people just makes you look so childish and petty. Shall I attribute this to all Remainers or do you not think this would be fair.
I don't think either side denied the likelihood of a short term economic hit; it would be stupid to do so. The focus of debate was more in regard to the medium and long term effects.How anyone can deny Brexit's impact on the economy is beyond me right now. It's one of the reasons why the Leave's leaders have been backpeddling from all the promises they made.
In the end, the economy was doing OK. The people were seeing teeny tiny benefits from that but not enough to give them hope after enduring a prolonged recession in which they got thoroughly shafted. It's definitely the Tory party's fault, and the Labour party's before them of course, that so many poor people felt they had nothing to lose by voting Leave.The Uk was doing well until the end of last year until the fears of Brexit loomed . Brexit said the Uk has to leave the EU because the EU was in stagnation and going to collapse - but the Euro of the stagnant EU has gained 20% against the pound, the Euro has gained 20% in value against the pound - have to keep repeating it it seems
Least you agree that Brexit has had a short term economic impact then.I don't think either side denied the likelihood of a short term economic hit; it would be stupid to do so. The focus of debate was more in regard to the medium and long term effects.
But i was fairly certain that a our construction and manufacturing sectors had been underperforming this past year, and some of this was due to government policy (particularly Osborne's).
I have members of family who are small business owners and after talking with them and how EU legislation cripples their growth I made my decision.Why did you vote leave if you don't mind me asking?
I said that there would be consequecnes in the immediate term weeks and months ago, albeit in the original thread.Least you agree that Brexit has had a short term economic impact then.
Well we can't know the long term (I imagine 5 years) effects. Leave might be right we might weather the storm, recession and job losses and come out smelling of roses. Who knows, most economists seem to think we will underperform in the long term but I'll humour and not listen to the experts.
We've been criticising Osborne and his austerity programme for a long while, have you been doing the same? Or is this a new occurance as you find yourselves on opposites side of the fence.
Would you mind saying which EU legislation is crippling their growthI have members of family who are small business owners and after talking with them and how EU legislation cripples their growth I made my decision.
I've seen a number of people I know saying this. I haven't seen them explain what those regulations are. I'm not trying to belittle you here, I'm genuinely asking as I'm sure there are silly regulations passed in such an enormous organisation, just as there are in the UK parliament.I have members of family who are small business owners and after talking with them and how EU legislation cripples their growth I made my decision.
And yet...you voted Conservative in the last general election?I said that there would be consequecnes in the immediate term weeks and months ago, albeit in the original thread.
And some of those experts based their conclusions on flawed reasoning (the Treasury), or knowingly extreme scenarios (the OECD iirc).
If you search back you'll find me criticising cuts and austerity as early as 2010/11.
Green.And yet...you voted Conservative in the last general election?
Yet you're now saying that the economy was on a downturn anyway..regardless if it was or not I don't think we would be expecting another recession if it wasn't for Brexit.I said that there would be consequecnes in the immediate term weeks and months ago, albeit in the original thread.
And some of those experts based their conclusions on flawed reasoning (the Treasury), or knowingly extreme scenarios (the OECD iirc).
If you search back you'll find me criticising cuts and austerity as early as 2010/11.
I might be being slightly optimistic, but I can defiantly see us not leaving the EU as we are still in the EU for at least 2 years and as more things happen like this, things change.
They are a business that don't trade within the EU (except the UK itself) yet have to adhere to EU legislation on stuff like waste management and have to stick to strict rules on the way things are produced etc. It costs them more than it should have to basically.I've seen a number of people I know saying this. I haven't seen them explain what those regulations are. I'm not trying to belittle you here, I'm genuinely asking as I'm sure there are silly regulations passed in such an enormous organisation, just as there are in the UK parliament.
Could you give me some examples of regulations that have crippled your family's business?
Yeah bro that's exactly what it is. These people ( I'm referring specifically to the racists, not leave voters as some homogeneous group) have always been unwelcoming and prejudiced, the only thing the result did was allow a fair few of the uneducated simpletons to believe that it's legally and morally OK to act and say the things they were too scared to before.I haven't seen anyone (in this thread) suggesting that the vote has generated attitudes that weren't already there, or that it has increased the number of xenophobes in the UK: What people have suggested is that certain elements have been empowered by the vote, which seems to be the case. Instances of school children being taunted and told they're not wanted in the country, or elderly women of German descent being hassled by their neighbours, weren't commonplace (but, remarkably, not covered by any media outlet) before the vote.
This entire phenomenon (what people experience as a development for the worse in terms of openly expressed hostility) can't be dreamed up by hysterical Remainers. I don't buy that for one second. It will hopefully be a temporary surge – but that doesn't mean it's some sort of illusion created by the media.
So they have to not pollute the environment? And produce quality products? How is that a bad thing? Is there a specific rule you're thinking of that is clearly ridiculous?They are a business that don't trade within the EU (except the UK itself) yet have to adhere to EU legislation on stuff like waste management and have to stick to strict rules on the way things are produced etc. It costs them more than it should have to basically.
Nope as it isn't my business I just put my family interests first.So they have to not pollute the environment? And produce quality products? How is that a bad thing? Is there a specific rule you're thinking of that is clearly ridiculous?
Interesting. So you didn't agree with the Green Party's firm position that leaving the EU would lead to more austerity, a bonfire of workers' rights, and would jeopardise our environmental progress?Green.
I did vote Conservative in 2010 though.
See, this would be called selfishness. feck the world long as my family make a few more pennies.Nope as it isn't my business I just put my family interests first.
Of course it is selfishness but not on a personal scale. When didn't a person put his family before other people?See, this would be called selfishness. feck the world long as my family make a few more pennies.
They have to play by the rules as they're competing with European businesses for customers in the UK.They are a business that don't trade within the EU (except the UK itself) yet have to adhere to EU legislation on stuff like waste management and have to stick to strict rules on the way things are produced etc. It costs them more than it should have to basically.
So they have to not pollute the environment? And produce quality products? How is that a bad thing? Is there a specific rule you're thinking of that is clearly ridiculous?
Wow that's quite ridiculous. You voted leave to feck up thousands of other people's lives so that your family could save a few pennies by not pulluting the environment.Nope as it isn't my business I just put my family interests first.
See, this would be called selfishness. feck the world long as my family make a few more pennies.
Exactly, are my family supposed to chalk feck on the business to appease to those who want to remain?It is rational decision-making.
But you know those very same regulations protect your kids from shoddy products, polluted environment, dangerous chemicals and unsafe food?Of course it is selfishness but not on a personal scale. When didn't a person put his family before other people?
Plus we ain't talking mega bucks here it is basically an income that feeds kids.
So vote remain and feck up thousands of small business owner lives? Where does it end?Wow that's quite ridiculous. You voted leave to feck up thousands of other people's lives so that your family could save a few pennies by not pulluting the environment.
Slight correction from your perspective - Vote remain and feck up thousands of small business owners who pullute the environment and not adhere to standards provided by European firms.So vote remain and feck up thousands of small business owner lives? Where does it end?
Morality has no place in a business decision. The potential faraway impact of lessening regulations on that family's hypothetical children has to be weighed against the fact that, for example, with more money in a looser regulatory framework, that family can afford to spend on better quality items anyway.But you know those very same regulations protect your kids from shoddy products, polluted environment, dangerous chemicals and unsafe food?
That's what I don't think people understand. We pay the EU money, they make some laws and schemes they think will benefit the European economy and society. We could pay that same money to British bureaucrats instead and they would make laws that they think would benefit only the British economy and society. Except that when we want to sell our stuff to Europe, or buy their (potentially cheaper or perhaps non-existent in the UK) products or services, then everybody has two sets of shitty regulations to deal with instead of one. Prices go up. People lose jobs. Kids don't get fed.