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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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It's incredible how Boris and Davies say they know nothing about the backstop that was agreed on, while they were in office.
 
They won't have a choice if they fail to get the Brexit plan through the Commons. It would be a show of no confidence in the Government.
The Tories will kick May out before she has the chance.
 
It's incredible how Boris and Davies say they know nothing about the backstop that was agreed on, while they were in office.

Especially since if rumours are to believed it was the UK who actually proposed the backstop rather than the EU
 
The Tories will kick May out before she has the chance.

Doesnt matter who is the PM - whoever it is still needs support of the commons to pass the Brexit bill - May or no May if they don't get the votes the Government falls and we get a general election. This is not a leadership question, it is a question of whether the brexit deal that is brokered is going to get the votes and at the moment it doesn't appear likely.
 
It's quite funny if you actually picture him walking through the door only to walk out seconds later slamming the door shut behind him. Maybe they should take a page out of Raiola's book and throw a chair, if it works for him I'm sure it can work for Raab.

Or he can do an LVG and get his balls out, why the hell not at this point?
I suspect they sat down had a cuppa (tea for team uk and coffee for europe)... then tried to work out how long they should stay there before walking out to set up the charade that May has played a blinder and negotiated a last minute deal snatching victory from the jaws of defeat (or vice versa depending on your pov)
 
Doesnt matter who is the PM - whoever it is still needs support of the commons to pass the Brexit bill - May or no May if they don't get the votes the Government falls and we get a general election.
Don't think we have time for that. There's nothing to suggest the EU would extend talks.
 
Don't think we have time for that. There's nothing to suggest the EU would extend talks.

The EU won't extend talks and even if there was a general election what would that do, even if Labour got in, their position is equally as stupid as the Tories.

Listening to them at this moment, they are two days away from the summit and they are still arguing about the same things over and over again.
 
Scotland has an easy out on this shite, but everyone over the age of 55 in the country are too stubborn to do it.
 
The EU won't extend talks and even if there was a general election what would that do, even if Labour got in, their position is equally as stupid as the Tories.

Listening to them at this moment, they are two days away from the summit and they are still arguing about the same things over and over again.
Labour's current position is stupid but I think it would be far much easier for Labour's position to Shift and deliver a Norway style deal.
 
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Scotland has an easy out on this shite, but everyone over the age of 55 in the country are too stubborn to do it.
not really - an independent Scotland is also out of the EU isn't it... pretty sure the EU confirmed that before and Spain with the catalan issue would almost certainly veto transfering UK membership over to an indy scotland.
It would certainly throw up plenty of boarder issues though
 
not really - an independent Scotland is also out of the EU isn't it... pretty sure the EU confirmed that before and Spain with the catalan issue would almost certainly veto transfering UK membership over to an indy scotland.
It would certainly throw up plenty of boarder issues though

It would be very harsh to veto Scotland in these circumstances. It’s very different to 2014 where Scotland was voting on secession from an EU member state.
 
Labour's current position is stupid but I think it would be far much easier for Labour's position to Shift and deliver a Norway style deal.

But even if that happened, Norway is still not in the customs union, So it still doesn't solve the Irish border. Then it has to get through parliament.

Also what happens to what has been agreed up to now by the Tories. The EU have said they are not going to have endless discussions about Brexit.

This also wouldn't stop the continuous bickering in parliament. The EU won't wait for ever.
 
actually in order to form a government they have to get the dup votes to do so... therefore it has to be somebody they are ok with and given their stance on brexit I dont know if Javid would be seen by them as acceptable
Johnson Davies or Mogg I think - surely Gove is too smiley for anybody to vote for - actually what am I saying - yeah Gove is clearly in the mix as well
You're thinking too far ahead. The party members will vote for a new party leader first , and they won't give a second's thought to the DUP. How a government is formed or not formed will only come afterwards.

I'm not a Tory or a Gove fan, I've just noticed how he's positioned himself, a known hard Brexiter, but he can say he showed loyalty to the PM to give her a chance.
 
The EU wants a backstop to provide Ireland & NI with certainty that there will be no hard border. Yet May says the UK would have to be able to unilaterally extricate itself from the backstop agreement. Surely that defeats the whole purpose of the backstop? It's there to protect IRL&NI from the UK's actions, if the UK can abandon it then it offers nothing.

I'm also fairly certain the UK already agreed to no time limit on the backstop, so I'm not sure where May's determination to have a time limit has sprung from either.
 
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The EU wants a backstop to provide Ireland & NI with certainty that there will be no hard border. Yet May says the UK would have to be able to unilaterally extricate itself from the backstop agreement. Surely that defeats the whole purpose of the backstop? It's there to protect IRL&NI from the UK's actions, if the UK can abandon it then it offers nothing.

That's the issue from the beginning. The EU proposed that NI stays in the CU-SM after Brexit, the UK refused and offered a backstop, the EU responded that it wasn't a definitive solution and that it didn't provide any long term solution for Ireland. We are stuck on that since around March and it was made official in late June.
 
Corbyn talking about how Labour can deliver a good Brexit deal. Just to confirm that he gives absolutely zero shits about the desires of his own membership.
 
The EU wants a backstop to provide Ireland & NI with certainty that there will be no hard border. Yet May says the UK would have to be able to unilaterally extricate itself from the backstop agreement. Surely that defeats the whole purpose of the backstop? It's there to protect IRL&NI from the UK's actions, if the UK can abandon it then it offers nothing.

I'm also fairly certain the UK already agreed to no time limit on the backstop, so I'm not sure where May's determination to have a time limit has sprung from either.
To make it more unbelievable, we were the ones who proposed a backstop. Davies and Boris were fully aware and added their signatures to it.
This is all about brexiteers promising the impossible and creating a scenario where they can blame someone else when the impossible doesn't happen.
 
To make it more unbelievable, we were the ones who proposed a backstop. Davies and Boris were fully aware and added their signatures to it.

Sometimes I wonder if we're stuck in an elaborate Parent Trap situation where May's long lost twin keeps accidentally negotiating with the EU, forcing the real May to cover for her by randomly changing position.
 
And while I am in the mood - Why have SF not taken their Westminster votes at probably the most crucial time since the formation of teh state.

*won't sit at Westminster
*Won't form government in Stormont
*Opted not to take part in Government talks regards Republic of Ireland.

Anyone who votes for these charlatans need their heads examined. Worst then the DUP for lining their own pockets, doing nothing for their constituents while being populist at every opportunity
Ah come on, it’s a core principle of Sinn Fein that they won’t take their seats in a foreign parliament and why would they betray their voters to do so? Won’t form a government in Stormont? Even though a deal was agreed up until Arlenes OO bosses pulled the plug? Don’t get me wrong, SF are far from saints but don’t dare compare them to the DUP.
 
I think the UK has taken the EU for a ride by signing for a backstop they were never going to accept in the first place. Thus it managed to kickstart trade negotiations
 
Ah come on, it’s a core principle of Sinn Fein that they won’t take their seats in a foreign parliament and why would they betray their voters to do so? Won’t form a government in Stormont? Even though a deal was agreed up until Arlenes OO bosses pulled the plug? Don’t get me wrong, SF are far from saints but don’t dare compare them to the DUP.

They take them in the EU - which is foreign. Their NI seat is fully used.

why wouldn't SF take up seats in Westminster in what is the single biggest issue facing Ireland since the formation.

All because they " hate the English". And I will compare them to the DUP as they are nothing but a crowd of shysters who have done nothing for their people. Look at West Belfast. An economic wasteland. Best in the West my arse
 
I think the UK has taken the EU for a ride by signing for a backstop they were never going to accept in the first place. Thus it managed to kickstart trade negotiations

I think it's clear from the beginning that the EU don't trust the UK government, and obviously with good reason, which is why they insisted on agreeing on the three main points, the border, citizens rights and the settlement before anything else. They have only been talking about a framework of what a future deal could look like but no actual trade discussions which they said they will not start until after the UK leaves.
The EU are not as gullible as the Brexiteers.
 
They take them in the EU - which is foreign. Their NI seat is fully used.

why wouldn't SF take up seats in Westminster in what is the single biggest issue facing Ireland since the formation.

All because they " hate the English". And I will compare them to the DUP as they are nothing but a crowd of shysters who have done nothing for their people. Look at West Belfast. An economic wasteland. Best in the West my arse
Comparing SF taking their seats in the EU Parliament to Westminister is intentionally disingenuous and you know it. There plenty you can critic them for so no idea why you taken this a bone to pick with them.
 
It is like an episode of Yes Prime Minister omly without the laughs.

Hard to see this bunch of incompetents doing anything other than lurching out hard Brexit style. This will be disasterous for the economy and will also likely destroy the Good Friday Agreement, which could well lead us back to the bad old days of The Troubles.

I despair.
 
Theresa May being told to channel her inner Boudicca. Boudicca famously secured a 400-year long 'time-limited transition' from Roman rule.