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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


  • Total voters
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How about the 17.3M who voted against it?

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And the rest. What’s the overall population of Britain?
 
Demonstrable blatant lies from the government which are so integral to the referendum outcome would be treading new ground, surely?
Possibly if we didn't live in a country where Tony Blair gets to walk around freely. It's completely subjective, whats the difference between the big red bus and say Cameron comments during the referendum about ''rows of white headstones in lovingly-tended Commonwealth war cemeteries'' or that maybe Cameron comment were even worse ?

There are far too many examples of politicians telling equally if not worse lies and nothing being done about it that to suddenly write off this result would extremely risky move that could do immense harm to UK democracy.
 
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And the rest. What’s the overall population of Britain?
Just over 65m

You were completely right before btw that blatant lying (or more likely fecking know-nothing incompetence) by elected politicians in the run up to the advisory opinion poll (which is all it was) should make the vote null and void … or at the very least trigger a new one.

Now that people know what's true and what's at stake I think there would definitely be a bigger turn out and almost certainly a different result.
 
Just over 65m

You were completely right before btw that blatant lying (or more likely fecking know-nothing incompetence) by elected politicians in the run up to the advisory opinion poll (which is all it was) should make the vote null and void … or at the very least trigger a new one.

Now that people know what's true and what's at stake I think there would definitely be a bigger turn out and almost certainly a different result.
So about 30m couldn’t or didn’t vote?
 
So about 30m couldn’t or didn’t vote?
Didn't :wenger:

The run-in to the opinion poll was like a Trump Rally with all the loony element shouting and screaming and everyone else keeping quiet thinking … let them have their little vote and then we can get back to normal just like they did two years ago in Scotland.

It backfired!
 
Having already got my French nationality which cost me a grand total of €55 I today received my ID card which cost nothing, is valid for 15 years and means I can travel throughout the EU with no problem.
My UK passport is still valid for over 7 years but I am sorely tempted to burn it, perhaps I'll wait until 29th March.
 
Having already got my French nationality which cost me a grand total of €55 I today received my ID card which cost nothing, is valid for 15 years and means I can travel throughout the EU with no problem.
My UK passport is still valid for over 7 years but I am sorely tempted to burn it, perhaps I'll wait until 29th March.
Have you retaken your drivers license?
 
Why … unless you took your first one there?

No, I moved to France in 2007, I never intended to move back to the UK and my UK licence would have expired soon afterwards so just swapped my UK licence for a french one, didn't need to take a new test.
At the same time I also integrated into the French health system and have paid my taxes etc in France since then too.
The only thing that was missing was the nationality which I didn't bother about because I didn't need to, until Brexit.
 
No, I moved to France in 2007, I never intended to move back to the UK and my UK licence would have expired soon afterwards so just swapped my UK licence for a french one, didn't need to take a new test.
At the same time I also integrated into the French health system and have paid my taxes etc in France since then too.
The only thing that was missing was the nationality which I didn't bother about because I didn't need to, until Brexit.
Been in Germany for well over 12 years and am not sure how anything will work … ever again!
 
I wonder what the numbers are like for people moving/planning to move away from the UK following the referendum result in 2016.

I work in foreign exchange and have seen a decent number of Brits looking to sell up and move to Europe or somewhere like Canada/Australia/New Zealand.

I'm going to be so busy at work if a no deal happens. The pound will sink and everyone will be buying.
 
I wonder what the numbers are like for people moving/planning to move away from the UK following the referendum result in 2016.

I work in foreign exchange and have seen a decent number of Brits looking to sell up and move to Europe or somewhere like Canada/Australia/New Zealand.

I'm going to be so busy at work if a no deal happens. The pound will sink and everyone will be buying.

That is a bold move considering nobody know what rights - if any - Brits will get if they move to Europe post-Brexit. I'd expect many ex-pats to have to move home within the next few years. I'm hoping that is the case so I can buy up one of their nice Spanish apartments on the cheap.
 
That is a bold move considering nobody know what rights - if any - Brits will get if they move to Europe post-Brexit. I'd expect many ex-pats to have to move home within the next few years. I'm hoping that is the case so I can buy up one of their nice Spanish apartment's on the cheap.

Many of the retirees will probably have to move, I think those in employment who can't be easily replaced should be ok but will have to follow the countries' procedures to get a work permit.

Are you a UK citizen or Irish? your location says you're in NI, probably won't be easy to buy property in Spain once no deal happens
 
Many of the retirees will probably have to move, I think those in employment who can't be easily replaced should be ok but will have to follow the countries' procedures to get a work permit.

Are you a UK citizen or Irish? your location says you're in NI, probably won't be easy to buy property in Spain once no deal happens

I'll soon be both. I'd be banking on my Irish passport to get me access to that market.
 
I wonder what the numbers are like for people moving/planning to move away from the UK following the referendum result in 2016.

I work in foreign exchange and have seen a decent number of Brits looking to sell up and move to Europe or somewhere like Canada/Australia/New Zealand.

I'm going to be so busy at work if a no deal happens. The pound will sink and everyone will be buying.
Brits should have bought property over 10 years ago when it was 1.4:1 … we are basically 1:1 now and BREXIT hasn't even happened yet!

The problem when discussing the leavers (the people who are leaving the UK rather than the people who voted for BREXIT) is not about counting their numbers but accessing the loss of their value to Britain. It seems (without saying all BREXIT voters are stupid and racist) that the people leaving are the most intelligent.

A good example …

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/14/top-linguist-quits-uk-over-brexit-bad-atmosphere

This will not end well!
 
Possibly if we didn't live in a country where Tony Blair gets to walk around freely. It's completely subjective, whats the difference between the big red bus and say Cameron comments during the referendum about ''rows of white headstones in lovingly-tended Commonwealth war cemeteries'' or that maybe Cameron comment were even worse ?

There are far too many examples of politicians telling equally if not worse lies and nothing being done about it that to suddenly write off this result would extremely risky move that could do immense harm to UK democracy.

Being cynical, Blair only told lies which resulted in misery for, to misquote Chamberlain, a far away country of which we know little. And the Iraq tragedy, although based on Western arrogance, was IMO not as sure a thing ab initio as the disaster facing the UK. Grossly negligent and morally reprehensible, for sure, but not as unforgivable as setting a predictable course to feck up your own country.

But, not wanting to turn this into a Blair/Iraq discussion, the underlying problem in the post-Brexit world is that we have a first past the post, two party system in a diverse country which no longer has mass membership of political parties. As a result, the more rational among the leadership and MPs of the Conservatives are limited in their response to Brexit by the 100,000 OAPs who constitute their membership and the bigoted, half-wit backbenchers selected by that membership.
 
I actually qualify for an Italian passport but it's a ballache to do the paperwork - I need my grandmothers' birth certificate and a million other things. I'll be applying for it if I need a visa to travel in Europe though.
 
I actually qualify for an Italian passport but it's a ballache to do the paperwork - I need my grandmothers' birth certificate and a million other things. I'll be applying for it if I need a visa to travel in Europe though.

Do it now, when it's done you have it and don't have to worry about anything. Remember that by having it, you will give the option to your successors to have it too.
 
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Many of the retirees will probably have to move, I think those in employment who can't be easily replaced should be ok but will have to follow the countries' procedures to get a work permit.

Are you a UK citizen or Irish? your location says you're in NI, probably won't be easy to buy property in Spain once no deal happens
If there's a deal, I expect European countries will mirror what's already been promised by Mrs May - people who are already residents (first step to permanent residency/citizenship) will be allowed to continue as such. We have owned property in Italy for 7 years but in light of Brexit, we have just applied for (and been granted) residency. That's valid for 5 years, then you can apply to convert it to permanent residency. We now have Italian ID cards.

Not one word was said about Brexit (or future changes to the system) when we did our paperwork at the local Town Hall.

edit - @C3Pique, don't delay if you're in the enviable position of being entitled to an Italian passport by means of ancestry. Start applying now.
 
Do it now, when it's done you have it and don't have to worry about anything.
This defeatist talk does all slightly smack a bit of: we might as well give up, after all, we were bested by Boris bloody Johnson and Nigel fecking Farage … the two most devious minds in Christendom!

I refuse to give up!

Where else in the fecking world would this not end up in a car horn symphony?

 
Brits should have bought property over 10 years ago when it was 1.4:1 … we are basically 1:1 now and BREXIT hasn't even happened yet!

The problem when discussing the leavers (the people who are leaving the UK rather than the people who voted for BREXIT) is not about counting their numbers but accessing the loss of their value to Britain. It seems (without saying all BREXIT voters are stupid and racist) that the people leaving are the most intelligent.

A good example …

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/14/top-linguist-quits-uk-over-brexit-bad-atmosphere

This will not end well!
It's hovering around EUR 1.13:1 GBP at the moment and has climbed recently, but there's a fall coming. I'm wondering if it might reach the point where the EUR is worth a bit more but a no deal creates uncertainty around both currencies.

When the recession hit the US in 2008 Canada wasn't hit at all and the value of the Canadian dollar surpassed the USD for a while. We might see a similar situation happen with GBP/EUR.

I get paid in Canadian dollars so I'm thinking it'll be worth sending some money to my UK account if the pound takes a beating. You'd think it would recover after a while.
 
It's hovering around EUR 1.13:1 GBP at the moment and has climbed recently, but there's a fall coming. I'm wondering if it might reach the point where the EUR is worth a bit more but a no deal creates uncertainty around both currencies.

When the recession hit the US in 2008 Canada wasn't hit at all and the value of the Canadian dollar surpassed the USD for a while. We might see a similar situation happen with GBP/EUR.

I get paid in Canadian dollars so I'm thinking it'll be worth sending some money to my UK account if the pound takes a beating. You'd think it would recover after a while.
I have been in Germany since the DM and if I knew then what I know now I could have made more profit on money than business and property!
 
I actually qualify for an Italian passport but it's a ballache to do the paperwork - I need my grandmothers' birth certificate and a million other things. I'll be applying for it if I need a visa to travel in Europe though.

Do it. Yes there's loads of paperwork but so what, but it takes time and in the end you are not relying on anyone apart from yourself once it is done.
Mine was easy without problem but it still took seventeen months.
 
whats your stance on brexit?
Staunchly in the Remain camp. I think they’ve not just shot them selves in the foot but amputated both legs. The fact that people fell for what was clearly a bunch of lies angers me greatly. I’m shocked at how many people who I thought were rational intelligent people have turned into mini Nigel Farages.

It’s also going to screw NI and Ireland over big time

Lastly it’s scary that Boris fecking Johnsen will probably end up as PM in the near future.

Absolute mess all round.
 
Not everyone is of voting age

That's what I said.

Anyway, with such an important vote, which is virtually irreversible, there should have either been a 2/3rds majority, or a majority of people eligible to vote.

It's not like a government, who we can vote out in 5 years if we don't like them (and there is a credible alternative ;)).
 
Staunchly in the Remain camp. I think they’ve not just shot them selves in the foot but amputated both legs. The fact that people fell for what was clearly a bunch of lies angers me greatly. I’m shocked at how many people who I thought were rational intelligent people have turned into mini Nigel Farages.

It’s also going to screw NI and Ireland over big time

Lastly it’s scary that Boris fecking Johnsen will probably end up as PM in the near future.

Absolute mess all round.

Does it annoy you that the DUP are willing to wreck everything just to be more british?