I thought I'd corrected you on this before, maybe it was someone else?
Le Pen is not coherent about anything though , my vote for the dumbest politician around (including the UK's) - Yes they are level with Macron in the polls. In 2014 they were ahead of the UMP (Conservative) and won the most seats in 2014 at the EU elections
No it wasn't me but the options for the future relationship come in the second phase but to get to the second phase the Uk has to ratify the withdrawal agreement which they won't. Labour's tests are impossible to meet unless the UK stay in the EU. Labour are equally as ridiculous as the Tories.
Thank you Paul.
There were, if we were prepared to accept things which most Brexiters deemed unacceptable, such as freedom of movement. Remain is a perfectly respectable viewpoint, Brexit with have cake and eat it verges on the dishonest.
What is ridiculous about attempting to hold the conservatives to their promises from the election campaign?
Bit of both but like Farage's followers - forrinners (but more anti non-Europeans)
Yes they should contest the conservatives but if their policy is undeliverable as well it's not really taking the higher ground. Playing party politics by the Tories and Labour is not going to solve Brexit problems.
Which bit is undeliverable? A closer union would at least be less damaging.
If I remember they want the same benefits as being in the EU and a customs union where they make their own trade policy. Neither are possible. Single Market has to include the four freedoms including freedom of movement.
Imigration coupled with the emerging dissatisfaction with politicians is giving rise to a significant increase in right wing nationalists across Europe and of course the USA.
The 'same benefits' bit was a May line and part of their tests. I agree they have been non commital on the/A CU. But clearly they were simply stating their start point for negotiation, not what was to be their final agreement which would likely have included FoM.
Yes, the Tories cake and eat it strategy which transmuted into Labour's six tests later.
I agree - now Trump is coming up for re-election next year and possible defeat? and the UK have set themselves up for becoming isolated and suffer the consequences - which could dampen nationalistic tendencies . Or things fester and morons take over the world.
Interesting. I wonder about the mechanics of it. Seems entirely plausible then that she if she got her deal through, she could then whip her party against the referendum?
Presumably, although the Tories don't seem to follow their whip anyway nowadays. Some would say it's a pity Labour do but I don't want to think about that or my head will hurt.
Lib Dem or Green.
What if a 2nd ref was for leaving?
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Eesh. I'm expecting this to be an outlier though.
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Or they could run, cannibalize the Tory vote, and then present the Tories with an option of either entering into coalition with the Brexit Party and allowing those hard right wankers control over actual power, or letting a socialist in. Which do you think the already hard right Tories might choose?
Or Change UK.
The milkshake army
good one. "Vote for us because we might not even be a party in two months". I like to think at some point somewhere someone is going to have the conversation with Trump that he might get milkshaked.
I hope they don't, so he can't prep for it...
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It's not needless stick though. Labour have dissolved in the polls because he won't take a firm position, despite half his own party begging him to. He deserves everything he gets this election.
Come on that conversations been done to death. You either think it's warranted fence sitting or you don't let's not bother repeating the same arguments.
Of course the results are relevant. As I think it was Tom Watson who pointed out, a lifelong voter voting against a party the first time is very hard for them, but then the second and third times come much easier. Oh and let's not forget that it is allowing the resurrection of the corpse of the Lib Dems. Plus the likely Brexit party win is extremely likely to push the Tories even further towards a hard Brexit choice.
There's no evidence of that at all in fact the opposite. The fact Tom Watson said it should tell you everything.
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That's "Based Amy", one of the more prominent of the "Yellow Vesters" in the UK. She makes a living off of paypal donations by live streaming herself going to demonstrations and being obnoxious/confrontational and provoking reactions. Got thrown out of the Houses of Parliament recently and routinely, comically falls over when "pushed" by Police. Pro Trump, pro Brexit, climate change denying.. she does it all.
