Bundesliga 2016/17

[do.ob]

So let's discuss what's wrong with Völler.

Hannover - 1.17 ppm
Kaiserslautern - 1.06 ppm [2nd div, didn't last 20matches]
Leverkusen - 0.78 ppm

How does someone with those stats get the job at Leverkusen and perhaps even more importantly a job guarantee for the remaining fixtures?

Völler repeatedly said that they just need one win from their last fixtures and acted like it's just a matter of time until they get it. Seems a bit to me like he doesn't appreciate their current situation. The team has no stability and the teams behind them are no stinkers, all of them (even Darmstadt now) play decent football and seem to have that relegation battle bite that Leverkusen certainly seem to be lacking.
Should Ingolstadt somehow manage to beat Lepzsch today then even direct relegation won't be out the question for a lot of clubs.

Usually I'm against sacking the coach for the sake of it in those situations, but Korkut quite clearly is what we call a good old "Rohrkrepierer" in Germany and unlike all of their competition the team doesn't look one bit like they realize how close to the edge they really are.

 

[Kant-ona]

Leverkusen imo made a mistake by appointing Korkut. Korkut is good enough for a team like Hannover. Maybe.

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

Image if Bayern lost today. They would probably collapse in big style. They are lucky they only have 4 games to play, 8 point-lead and a better GD on Leipzig.

 

[Smudge]

Freiburg are 6th with a -14 goal difference

 

[do.ob]

Image if Bayern lost today. They would probably collapse in big style. They are lucky they only have 4 games to play, 8 point-lead and a better GD on Leipzig.

Bayern don't do that and people are exaggerating big time, they lost narrowly to Real and Dortmund and dropped a few points inbetween when they focused on other competitions instead of the already decided Bundesliga.

 

[Damien]

Goretzka interview: http://www.dfb.de/en/news/detail/goretzka-early-goal-inspired-us-166523/

 

[NieThePiet]

Here we go again: 16minutes, 2:0 Werder. 9 wins a 2 draws in the last 11 games at the moment. Kruse & Bartels with goal and assist.

 

[JustFootballFan]

Here we go again: 16minutes, 2:0 Werder. 9 wins a 2 draws in the last 11 games at the moment. Kruse & Bartels with goal and assist.

Usually pays off to hire new managers rather than recycle guys that have already proven that they suck. Nagelsmann, Nouri, Frings and so on doing a good job.

 

[Damien]

Werder Bremen 1:0 Hertha Berlin (Bartels)

Werder Bremen 2:0 Hertha Berlin (Kruse)

Reus disallowed goal for offside

all gifs via /r/soccer

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

Leipzig still 0-0 at HT.

 

[JustFootballFan]

Shame Darmstadt can´t keep their team together. The current squad with a proper manager plus Großkreutz would have a great chance to get back up.

 

[GhastlyHun]

When relegation is all but fact, Darmstadt (colon town, heeheehee) start scoring for fun.

 

[Cristiano Lell]

So let's discuss what's wrong with Völler.

Hannover - 1.17 ppm
Kaiserslautern - 1.06 ppm [2nd div, didn't last 20matches]
Leverkusen - 0.78 ppm

How does someone with those stats get the job at Leverkusen and perhaps even more importantly a job guarantee for the remaining fixtures?

Völler repeatedly said that they just need one win from their last fixtures and acted like it's just a matter of time until they get it. Seems a bit to me like he doesn't appreciate their current situation. The team has no stability and the teams behind them are no stinkers, all of them (even Darmstadt now) play decent football and seem to have that relegation battle bite that Leverkusen certainly seem to be lacking.
Should Ingolstadt somehow manage to beat Lepzsch today then even direct relegation won't be out the question for a lot of clubs.

Usually I'm against sacking the coach for the sake of it in those situations, but Korkut quite clearly is what we call a good old "Rohrkrepierer" in Germany and unlike all of their competition the team doesn't look one bit like they realize how close to the edge they really are.

Why does Korkut even have the reputation do get those high profile jobs in the first place? Especially now after he had flopped at Hannover and Lautern?
AFAIK he's never achieved anything at all..

Is he the second coming of Robin Dutt?
I.e., a guy that shines in the coaching badges courses, is eloquent in presentations and job interviews but completely inept in managing a team successfully in real life?
A fraud?

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

Leipzig and Dortmund 0-0 FT. Bayern can win the league later.

 

[schwalbe]

Leipzig and Dortmund 0-0 FT. Bayern can win the league later.

Leipzig is still playing.
Edit: Now it's over.

 

[GhastlyHun]

Now is the time to give our youngsters a chance. I'd like to see

Ulreich
Kimmich - CB - CB (not sure who's available ^^) - Alaba
Vidal - Sanches
Thiago/Müller
Coman - Lewa - Costa
​

Do it Carlo. This aging team needs the succession of young players.

 

[schwalbe]

Coman and Kimmich are both playing, Costa only on the bench. I think he's gone in the summer and to be honest i would be happy about that.

 

[Nicklas]

Coman and Kimmich are both playing, Costa only on the bench. I think he's gone in the summer and to be honest i would be happy about that.

What happened with Costa?

 

[JustFootballFan]

Now is the time to give our youngsters a chance. I'd like to see

Ulreich
Kimmich - CB - CB (not sure who's available ^^) - Alaba
Vidal - Sanches
Thiago/Müller
Coman - Lewa - Costa
​

Do it Carlo. This aging team needs the succession of young players.

Well next week against Darmstadt, you have to play the 11 players that are the most drunk. We need that win for a miracle that would make Leicesters title look like childs play.

 

[NieThePiet]

Shame Darmstadt can´t keep their team together. The current squad with a proper manager plus Großkreutz would have a great chance to get back up.

Proper Manager? Look what Frings is doing with this club. That's just briliant. 3 wins in a row, first time in their Bundesliga history.

 

[Blackwidow]

What happened with Costa?

Nothing. He had his great 2 months when he still had form from the Ukraine but after that he already started to suck. In difference to Coman who is an individualist who plays together with the team (but still is young and was injured long at the beginning of the season) he is more the "Hollywood"-type of player. Like Robben was years ago before he started to really connect to the team - but far from his class as individualist or as a goal scorer. He reminds me a lot of Shaqiri.

 

[JustFootballFan]

Proper Manager? Look what Frings is doing with this club. That's just briliant. 3 wins in a row, first time in their Bundesliga history.

This was in regards to the former manager. Saying that this squad is not nearly as bad as Meier made them look. Hence they´d have a chance to go back up with Frings. If they lose Sulu, Vrancic, Platte, Gondorf, Altintop and Heller though, they´ll struggle to just establish themselves in the 2nd Bundesliga.

 

[do.ob]

Kruse's stats in April:
6 matches: 8 goals 4 assists

This was in regards to the former manager. Saying that this squad is not nearly as bad as Meier made them look. Hence they´d have a chance to go back up with Frings. If they lose Sulu, Vrancic, Platte, Gondorf, Altintop and Heller though, they´ll struggle to just establish themselves in the 2nd Bundesliga.

Don't kid yourself. Darmstadt are in a unique situation, everyone "has" to win against them and is playing under a lot of pressure, they got literally nothing to lose and everyone is playing for a new contract somewhere else.

 

[PedroMendez]

Kruse's stats in April:
6 matches: 8 goals 4 assists

he is a good player who suffered from injuries and bad form during the first part of the season. I was surprised that he joined Bremen, when he could have started for a team that plays EL. Now Bremen might actually qualify for European football, which would be great. Thomas Delaney, who joined during the winter also turns out to be a bargain. I am fairly impressed by him.

 

[Peyroteo]

Great free kick by Alaba. 1-0 Bayern

 

[Damien]

Wolfsburg 0:1 Bayern (Alaba)

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

1-0 Alaba.

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

Wolfsburg 0:1 Bayern (Alaba)

Golazo!

 

[NieThePiet]

he is a good player who suffered from injuries and bad form during the first part of the season. I was surprised that he joined Bremen, when he could have started for a team that plays EL. Now Bremen might actually qualify for European football, which would be great. Thomas Delaney, who joined during the winter also turns out to be a bargain. I am fairly impressed by him.

We were his first station in professional football, so it was surely a plus for us to get him. (This time Diego was on his position and there was no chance for him.) His negative headlines were surely a reason, why not every club wanted him. Very happy to have him here, best player in the league in the second half of the season.

 

[Peyroteo]

2-0 Lewandowski. Congrats Bayern fans, 5 in a row!

 

[Damien]

Wolfsburg 0:2 Bayern (Lewandowski)

Wolfsburg 0:3 Bayern (Lewandowski)

 

[Blackwidow]

That is the difference between the 4-3-3 and the 4-2-3-1.

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

Bayern have officially won the title now.

 

[Damien]

Looks like Coman has had a good game so far. Now his future is settled maybe he can kick on.

 

[Jaap]

Looks like Coman has had a good game so far. Now his future is settled maybe he can kick on.

Add Kimmich to that as well - but it's Wolfsburg, hardly a tough opponent. Those players will win you these games but will not be good enough against the best sides in Europe.

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

4-0 the bald dutch.

 

[Damien]

Wolfsburg 0:4 Bayern (Robben)

 

[schwalbe]

Wob has to be careful, i can really see them going down. They should be able to at least win one of the last three matches (Frankfurt (A) Gladbach(H) and Hamburg (A)) though.

 

[Kostur]

Holy feck Gustavo lost his shit.

Bayern 5-0, Wolfsburg are dramatically shit.

 

[Balu]

Add Kimmich to that as well - but it's Wolfsburg, hardly a tough opponent. Those players will win you these games but will not be good enough against the best sides in Europe.

The same could be said for the old guard. At least the young talents can still improve and might reach the level we need, if we give them enough playing time.