Good lad Xavi, the more people that speak out against this travesty the better.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
We wouldn't have conceded 2 goals until the end of game, I'm actually fairly confident about that. Madrid might have got an equaliser but it'd have been tough for them anyway and we could well score another on a counter.
If it hadn't been for that sending off we would be looking at the next round right now, make no mistake we were fecking robbed. We outclassed Real, even Mourinho admitted we were the better team, hell we were the better team with ten bloody men. It's heartbreaking that SAF has had another CL opportunity stolen from him by abysmal officiating.
What is with this new found craze of trying to be all zen about about any bad decision that comes our way amongst certain posters?
Is this some kind of attempt to take the moral high ground and prove how unRawkish you are?
What's wrong with just calling a spade a spade?
It was a f'kin shocking decision and likely cost us a place in the next round.
Is this some kind of attempt to take the moral high ground and prove how unRawkish you are?
What's wrong with just calling a spade a spade?
It was a f'kin shocking decision and likely cost us a place in the next round.
Nani was trying to control the ball and they crashed into each other, it was painful for Arbeloa and reckless by Nani to some extent but it does never merit a red card. It was an accident and you don't send people off for stuff like this and no, it doesn't happen on a regular basis - I honestly cannot remember any other red card in the same mould. It was a shocking decision full stop.
Also, has he received death threats? The only thing I can find is the Turkish FA denying this.
We were 1-0 up....then in the space of 4 minutes we conceded two goals. It was poor defending, profligate finishing, mixed with superb football from Real Madrid that cost us the game.....as hard as that is to swallow it's the reality.
Nani being sent off does not automatically equate to losing the game. If we had gone on to win the match 1-0 I'm pretty sure you wouldn't find many posters uttering....
"well I'm proper fecked off with the referee he could have cost us big time tonight. Can't enjoy this victory with that thought"
More like...
"absolutely fantastic performance from the team...particularly playing for half an hour with ten men!"
United didn't go through for a few reasons, the decision being one of them, albeit apparently the defining one.
I provided one a few posts back. Not sure anyone said it happens on a regular basis?
For the record I have already stated I don't agree with the decision, but I can understand why he was dismissed.
Speculation as always....apparently Twitter was the source of the threats...no surprises there.
It would not suprise me one bit though.
Nani controlled the ball with his foot, in mid air, Arbeloa ran into him and got himself hurt. It wasn't even a yellow, never mind a red. Someone here mentioned 'forced objectivity', I completely agree. Stop trying to make yourself look good and go against the grain.
It was the wrong decision, end of story.
It was the wrong decision, end of story.
I don't think he's playing.
That 10 minute spell wouldn't have happened if the ref hadn't put us down to ten men. We probably could have reacted better, though not much we could do about Modric's strike (who also wouldn't have necessarily been on the pitch at that point without the ref's balls up).
It was probably the major decision than defined the result.
These kind of comments make my blood boil! It doesnt make sense and just idiotic.
No he didn't control the ball at all. His foot ended up in Arbeloa's chest....who was actually trying to chest the ball down and run onto it.
Forced objectivity? I don't even know what that means honest to god. Sarni mentioned this in relation to people who viewed the decision as correct. I...as already stated twice....do not agree with the decision so rest assured I'm not "going against the grain" there.
I do however understand why the decision was made. What I don't agree with is the assumption that we were "robbed" or that it "cost us the game." That is just a cop out in my eyes. The players could not retain their composure in that all important 10minute spell after the card.
I truly couldn't care about looking good mate, I'm really not that superficial
deary me.What doesn't make sense?
boring boring! its synonymous as saying, "I don't think he has the right to kill someone but I understand why he did it". There is no reason why you keep defending the cnut. You said it like it is a league game that doesn't matter in the long run. Well, it's not, and it does matter.
Well, pretty much all of what you said if you need to know! But specifically:
If the red card hadnt cost us the loss, of course no one would be too angry about the red card. If you were being beaten in the course of an attempted robbery, the fact that you haven't been robbed of anything or hurt makes all the difference in your reaction. You don't even call the police. But if you were beaten to half dead and lost all your procession, you had legitimate reason to at least call the police. Got it?!!
This kind of indulgence in pity is what gets me.....so mawkish it is painful to see. We had our chances over the two legs to put the tie out of sight. Van Persie didn't rise to the occassion and missed two gilt-edged chances in Madrid. If we were the better team we should have fecking put the tie to bed before the sending off.
We played well but not well enough to progress. Football throws this shit up and you have to deal with it....United tried their best but it wasn't enough.
No. Really....no.
Not sure your analogies are aiding you mate. Move away from them seriously.
It's simple. The referee...using the laws that govern the game...and his interpretation of the incident....decided Nani endangered another player with his actions. That's all it is.....not hard to understand in the slightest.
I'm not defending him....I've already stated (numerous times) I don't agree with his interpretation of the incident. The magnitude of the game does not make a difference to me, I would hold the same view if it happened while we were 4-0 up away to Wigan.
Anyway you have had your two cents.....if I'm boring you then please....be my guest and retire into the night...I'm off to dream about my gleaming self-righteousness.
Anther idiotic statement! We were against a very good team in a life and death game and playing 11-11 is hard enough. Be reducing to 10 men the battle was not just uphill. You were saying as if we were playing against Liverpool where 10 men are enough to hold on for another 30 mins plus stoppage. If you are not an idiot, you were maybe just arguing for the sake of arguing. if the card was wrong, it's deserved to be condemned. For sure if we have progressed we won't bother to waste the time to discuss because it will look stupid if we do.I do however understand why the decision was made. What I don't agree with is the assumption that we were "robbed" or that it "cost us the game." That is just a cop out in my eyes. The players could not retain their composure in that all important 10minute spell after the card.
I truly couldn't care about looking good mate, I'm really not that superficial
Again, you were defending him. How did you know he's applying the correctly? He has been sending off 7 English players without sending off the opposition (as pointed out by sir Alex).
seriously I am glad I don't know you in person. You are a bit rude (and unreasonable). You also sound codesending which is uncalled for. We can agree to differ and I can say for sure your opinion is conflicting. My analogy was to enable you to think more clearly and to be more sensible but you're really not worthy of my patience.
I wouldn't wade into these discussions without understanding the rules; dangerous play results in a yellow card. The debate, if there is one, is over whether or not Nani used excessive force to win the ball.
Everyone understands the logic behind the decision. People aren't sat around watching the incident 100x scratching their heads and thinking "I just dont understand it...maybe from his angle the ref thought it was a handball? Or maybe the ref thought Nani had kung fu kicked someone in the crowd? I'm just completely stumped!"
Basically your point seems to be that the ref thought it was a red card offence. Which seems rather obvious, seeing as he sent Nani off.
We could have put the game to bed but we were more deserving than Madrid, who didn't look like progressing until the red card incident. We were the better team. Even with an unfair handicap for 35 minutes.
Massimo Busacca, from Switzerland. Apparently he had a pretty good record before that (hilariously, Rio Ferdinand even praised him just before kick-off as the best ref around), but it was a pretty horrendous decision. At the end of that season, Busacca became head of refereeing development within FIFA...
Not necessarily. We did enough to progress before the red card.
Exactly we were winning. ie. we were the better team. If we were winning 10-0 there wouldn't be an issues. The fact is we were winning and moments after the red we'd lost the tie.
What the feck are you on about? We were the better team. We didn't have to put the tie to bed before the sending off because the sending shouldn't have happened. And this isn't how football works. You're only the better side if you put ties to bed prematurely now? What to say about Madrid then? They certainly didn't put the fecking tie to bed until the ref conjured up a red card to their advantage. You're trying so hard to be "objective" that you end up being inexplicably harsh on our performance. Stating we didn't play well enough to progress when we played much better than the team that actually progressed is madness.
Good man, someone who understands the rules. That's all there is to question, whether Nani used excessive force to win the ball, as the Turkish cnut alleges. The answer is, clearly, no.
We were robbed and this forced objectivity is cringeworthy. This attention seeking cnut compromised our best shot in years to win the European cup with the 2 spanish teams out, I still can't get over it even with help of weed.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...anis-night-and-our-victory-hopes-8527405.html
Neil Warnock speaking sense above for a change.
Has anyone seen the current EAS FC challenge on Fifa 13? You're Man Utd, you've just been given a "controversial" red card, and you have to fight back from 2-1 down. Not helping...
That's a pretty shit argument. We aren't playing fecking qpr that we can put the tie "out of sight" with such ease. It was always going to be tight. Madrid had their chances in the first leg too with de Gea doing very well.
It's all very easy saying "you have to deal with it". But in reality playing against a madrid side for whom it is a match where their season is in the line, who have just smashed the best team of this generation, with only 10 men is a Herculean task. Maybe we could have done better but it was always going to be "against the ropes stuff" and most importantly we would need madrid to be wasteful which they weren't.
Exactly!! Why on earth some people are not able to understand these simple facts and logics is beyond me.
The way I see it is that if nothing was given then we'd have heard nothing about it after the game, hence the ref got it wrong. Arbeloas tackle was poor but we dont hear anything about it because a yellow was justifiable. Ref just had a mare
'Nani sees the ball and wants to control it. He is ‘playing’, not ‘defending’, he does not set out to foul the opponent so the two incidents are completely different.'
Xavi.
Xavi.
He just tweeted this.
@RefereeCuneyt: My problem is not related to the British. The right decision. Red Card.
@RefereeCuneyt: Soy un sobreviviente de neutral. Real Madrid quiere felicitar a todos los seguidores.
Google Translate:
I am a survivor of neutral. Real Madrid want to congratulate all the fans.
I'm not sure what he means but it seems like he doesn't give a feck.
EDIT
He tweeted this a few minutes later:
@RefereeCuneyt: Manchester United supporters would like to congratulate.
@RefereeCuneyt: My problem is not related to the British. The right decision. Red Card.
@RefereeCuneyt: Soy un sobreviviente de neutral. Real Madrid quiere felicitar a todos los seguidores.
Google Translate:
I am a survivor of neutral. Real Madrid want to congratulate all the fans.
I'm not sure what he means but it seems like he doesn't give a feck.
EDIT
He tweeted this a few minutes later:
@RefereeCuneyt: Manchester United supporters would like to congratulate.
I think the "he's sent off loads of English players before" line of argument is a bit of a red herring. I haven't seen the Gerrard sending off and the Cahill one was never really shown properly in the WCC final, but I couldn't call the Terry red card any kind of injustice and the Balotelli one was also a clear red.
No! He flew through the air and maliciously attacked Arbeloa with a kitchen knife strapped to his cock.
You have to wonder how many people round here have been involved in any kind of sporting activity before.