Cafu, Zanetti, and Maldini were all better for my money. Lahm in with a shout too. But he’s a top player without a doubt. The others were all top professionals and not complete twats like Alves, so there’s that too.
CA 2019 - Final - Brazil vs Peru
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Cafu, Zanetti, and Maldini were all better for my money. Lahm in with a shout too. But he’s a top player without a doubt. The others were all top professionals and not complete twats like Alves, so there’s that too.
Yeah this is the best Argentina have played in a while but against possibly the worst Brazil performance in ages as well. A Neymar-less Brazil is absolutely shocking. The tournament hasn't been bad for Argentina as the performances have gradually and definitely improved with each passing game but they've still got a lot to fix both in defense and to find a decent midfield. Even with home advantage, I see them as third favorites at best.
Alves' international career being a bit underwhelming makes it close but he had a higher peak and insane longevity. Lahm's younger than him and he retired two years ago.
Alves might not defend as well as all of them but his attacking stats are staggeringly good and puts him up there.
Argentina played pretty well the 2nd half, but they conceded 2 awful goals.
I'd guess Messi plays 1 final Copa and calls it quits.
I'd guess Messi plays 1 final Copa and calls it quits.
I agree. Uruguay and Brazil are better teams. From being third favourites to having no chance at all is quite a gap though.
Paraguay win the penalty shootout a few days ago and they'd have most likely been in the final vs Chile or Peru. Small details will have to go their way as it's happened before.
I watched it on Telemundo.. Might be a location thing (I.e. local channel?)
I hope Peru win it. I've never seen them win anything before.
Definitely the better team today and on another day those 2 chances don't go off the bar. Miles better than their group stage performances.
Didn't even go to VAR.
That's as clear a pen as you'll ever see. Horrific from the VAR refs.
Uruguai beat your current European champions (EuroCup AND Nations League) liek they were children.
And they are not even alive in America Cup anymore.
Stop underrating football around the world like that. I'd love to see an European team in these pitches with this intensity. Brazil has beaten basically Euro team they faced past 2 years
Peru beating Brazil in the final after losing 5-0 to them in the group stages would be pretty hilarious.
No shame in Argentina losing to a better team. To be honest, the Argies had about as much chance at beating Brazil as Preston do.
Daniel Alves is a boss. That man deserves an impeccably tailored Italian tuxedo, a box of hand-rolled Cuban Cigars, a seaside office and a hot model secretary. Quality was never in doubt.
Daniel Alves is a boss. That man deserves an impeccably tailored Italian tuxedo, a box of hand-rolled Cuban Cigars, a seaside office and a hot model secretary. Quality was never in doubt.
He actually won that game by himself played as a winger. Against prime Veron-Riquelme, Messi and Tevez. He is immense really.
Looks like Lukaku in goal.
That would be fantastic. Unfortunately I don't think it will happen .
When is the retirement announcement?
Crazier things have happened. I said I hope not expect. They have to get past Chile first and that's going to tough.
It's not.
This is:
Brazil literally countered from that and scored the 2nd goal.
Fishier than the Russian players running 500 miles per game at the World Cup.
More rolling around then my daughter's gymnastics classes
I know it’s easy to shit on Argentina, but here the final score really doesn’t reflect the game went.
I expected a 2-1. Maybe a 1-1 (assist by Messi, and then argentina losing the penalties), but this 2-0 must hurt.
It's truly the end for Messi the NT player. He can't do it alone. Period. He has been reduced to complaining about the CONMEBOL as a whole. This might even hurt his (late) career with FCB (brazilian teammates: Arthur, Cou stays? Neymar's return?).
It's truly the end for Messi the NT player. He can't do it alone. Period. He has been reduced to complaining about the CONMEBOL as a whole. This might even hurt his (late) career with FCB (brazilian teammates: Arthur, Cou stays? Neymar's return?).
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Brazil 2019 Champions. Period.
Why is there another tournament next year?
So in future it will be in sync every 4 years with European Championships. Sounds sensible approach.
Messi didn't won one yet. I'm guessing that there will be a Copa America every 6 months in the near future. Hahaha
Argentina were good, better than brazil for most of the game. Unlucky to lose really, two defensive lapses and two good attempts off the posts. Brazil even without neymar are terribly solid and have the best defence in international football...
Lautaro is the key for argentina. Makes them play well, starting with Messi and Aguero. Pity they lack a proper right wingback and lack cutting edge against a defence like brazil's. This is promising though, they look like a proper team again at least, after 3 years
Lautaro is the key for argentina. Makes them play well, starting with Messi and Aguero. Pity they lack a proper right wingback and lack cutting edge against a defence like brazil's. This is promising though, they look like a proper team again at least, after 3 years
How many goals has Alisson conceded since the Barça 3-0 Liverpool?
Photo of Higuain last night:
We have to be honest here, if VAR is going to ignore both those penalties then the only conclusion is that it was corrupt in Brazil's favour.
I'm not underrating them, that is the level they are at now. Brazil got easily beaten by Belgium in their last competitive fixture against a european team. Argentina well beaten by France. Uruaguay too were well beaten by France. The final 4 at the WC were all European and 6 of the last 8. The proof is in the performances.
None of Argentina's backline would start for any of Europes top nations. And Brazils front 3 without Neymar is a shadow of what teams like Belgium, Portugal and France can field. Maybe even Germany too. 3 of the stronger nations struggled past Qatar...
The standard of this Copa has indeed been absolute trash. Brazil have some standout defenders and everything else has been really, really poor. On top of that every top team is performing well below the sum of their parts except maybe Chile which is why they are all gone out already. It's a poor showing and setting a poor standard. Both sides were absolute rubbish last night. Argentina tried but hadn't the quality in defence, Brazil were useless bar two moments of magic from Alves and Jesus aided by the Argie defence doing God knows what to stop them.
As for pitches, European teams play in places like Andorra regularly and as for intensity I saw very little last night, most euro games are played at a much higher pace. It sucks because football needs a strong Brazil, Argentina to compete with the bigger Euro nations but they just aren't at the required level.
0? I think I read somewhere its 9 clean sheets in a row.
WhatYou mean the WC? That game belgium won through sheer blind luck?
Maybe I'm getting old but I recall Brazil having lots of the ball and silly long shots but no real clear cut chances and Belgium beating them on the counter quite well.
I know we didn't have chances to win the game, but the referee made sure of that. To me both situations are really clear.
And it's not only those plays, the general game was in favour of brazil.
Brazilian guys on Conmebol are always complaining saying that conmebol hates brazil and bla bla bla, here you can see it's the same. It was clearly fixed for brazil to win comfortably. Referee's wife is Brazil's referee federation chiefs sister
And it's not only those plays, the general game was in favour of brazil.
Brazilian guys on Conmebol are always complaining saying that conmebol hates brazil and bla bla bla, here you can see it's the same. It was clearly fixed for brazil to win comfortably. Referee's wife is Brazil's referee federation chiefs sister
Seriously? Other than the two penalty shouts, which fair enough could have been given, the ref was so clearly pro-argentina it was laughable
To me it was so obvious it was pro-brazil. There's such a clear foul on Paredes in the first half, as clear as day, and the referee says play on. After that play, there's a foul by Tagliafico and he gets the yellow card. The Paredes foul was as clear as day.
And like that, there were other similar plays.
Yeah but i saw it the other way around. Your players were allowed to just scythe down any brazilian, while they couldn't touch you without getting called for a foul. The first half was laughably pro-argentina imo. Second half was fairer, except for the 2 penalty shouts