Can we talk about how bad Daniel Levy is for Spurs yet?

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I think woodward probably buys exactly what his managers want also.
I'm pretty sure i rate sissoko lower than most but even at his best he's a midtable player and it was relatively obvious. Adding grealish could've given them one more Son level player to push them to a level where theres an achievement to respect. As opposed to going from a 6-8th team to a 4-6th team for a few years and back again.
I'm nitpicking mostly, i think he's a good chairman, that'd be an area (more so than selling players) i think hes a bit weak.
His strict weakness is protecting players value for the club to a fault. Sometimes it leads to massive losses on Rose.

I can't fault him for not paying over the odds for grealish as unproven as he was back then. Over adding a solid squad player like Sissoko.

As for Woodward. That is a clown who believes alderwereld is no better than Phil Jones. When a mourinho asked to sign the spurs guy. No to mention the summer windows he has repeatedly wasted
Signing players a 6 months to a year later than he should have. He is a joke chairman.
 

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Surely there’s better options out there than fecking Gattuso :lol:

Potter ? Hassenhuttl ? Benitez ? Even bloody Howe at this point
 

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Levy doesn't even seem interested now in paying a lot for a manager. The budget for their summer will probably be pennies as well.
 

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Levy — sometimes good sometimes maybe shit.

 

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Spurs will probably feck up another 3 managerial done deals and then fluke ending up with some random guy who becomes the greatest manager of all time.

Didn't Levy try to sell Kane for like £2m the season before he broke onto the scene? The bloke likes to pull a Homer.
 

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Didn’t Gattuso headbutt Joe Jordan a while back? :lol:
 

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I knew Spurs had a lot of debt but didn’t realize that they had the most debt of any club in the world. Over £1bn. They don’t have Man Utd / Real type of revenue or stature. I think they are in a tough spot - won’t be able to pay top wages or pay transfer fee. Also keep hiring expensive managers who are expensive to sack. Should probably cash out on Kane and start taking punts on hidden talents to be viable in the future.
 

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One of my Spurs supporting mates is more upset than I've ever seen him. I don't even have the stomach to make fun of him he's so pissed off.
 

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Been hard to take Levy seriously since that Amazon doc, the guy is a full on delusional.
 

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This whole thing of Kane saying there is a "gentleman's agreement" in place is ridiculous.Without documentation it becomes a he said/she said scenario. Levy will say he promised no such thing & to be honest I doubt that he did.
I bet it's not ridiculous to Kane, and that's all that matters. Things must've been pretty solid between he and Levy and there's been no denial of the agreement on Levy's side. Kane, partly from good faith, landed himself a terrible contract from the outset being paid below the going rate for a striker of his calibre and lost literally millions in the process, this all being good faith, so now it's Levy's turn to pay that back in kind, he does his star player over? You might think that's prudent in business or from a financial POV, but your relationship goes sour with such a key and influential member of the team and untold damage can be done, both to his performance level, but also with what he eventually chooses to reveal and expose. Any half-decent player going to Spurs at the moment is going to have options and I'd also wonder how easy it is to get word on the grapevine from one player to another in these globalised times.

Levy thinking he's pulled a fast one would be short-term thinking with mid and long-term consequences if Kane is that way inclined. Perhaps he underestimates Kane, or perhaps all he sees is keeping the player above everything else, but he's essentially treading across a minefield he's laid but forget where he put the bloody things with his actions and there's nothing genial or impressive about that.
I knew Spurs had a lot of debt but didn’t realize that they had the most debt of any club in the world. Over £1bn. They don’t have Man Utd / Real type of revenue or stature. I think they are in a tough spot - won’t be able to pay top wages or pay transfer fee. Also keep hiring expensive managers who are expensive to sack. Should probably cash out on Kane and start taking punts on hidden talents to be viable in the future.
You can understand that the punts route is potentially a road to ruin. @GlastonSpur really should be in here to explain to us what's gone wrong over there given his boasting over the last few years.
 

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If Kane wasn't sure before he must be now, complete joke of a club right now
 

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I knew Spurs had a lot of debt but didn’t realize that they had the most debt of any club in the world. Over £1bn. They don’t have Man Utd / Real type of revenue or stature. I think they are in a tough spot - won’t be able to pay top wages or pay transfer fee. Also keep hiring expensive managers who are expensive to sack. Should probably cash out on Kane and start taking punts on hidden talents to be viable in the future.
Glad you called it punts.

Because it would be a punt in the dark to sell Kane and wish for the best.

And for others, Levy is doing nothing wrong by holding Kane responsible for abiding by his contract, or holding out for a massive transfer fee.
 

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I knew Spurs had a lot of debt but didn’t realize that they had the most debt of any club in the world. Over £1bn. They don’t have Man Utd / Real type of revenue or stature. I think they are in a tough spot - won’t be able to pay top wages or pay transfer fee. Also keep hiring expensive managers who are expensive to sack. Should probably cash out on Kane and start taking punts on hidden talents to be viable in the future.
While I agree Levy has had a stinker lasting 2 years our debts arent as bad as a lot of other clubs, yes its high, I don't think its over £1b, I think its about £850m, its all long term debt. If COVID passes we will have a good income stream back.
 

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It's embarrassing for them. They've fought really hard to get into the top 4 especially under Poch but they're heading for a big fall and some really stupid decisions have been made. I'd say Leicester have a brighter future than them at the moment barring some massive turnaround.
 

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The new stadium whilst was always on the cards, came at seemingly the worst possible time for them especially as it stopped funding into the team and ended up making them lose a few players (like Walker) instead of adding to it to strengthen and push forward
 

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And for others, Levy is doing nothing wrong by holding Kane responsible for abiding by his contract, or holding out for a massive transfer fee.
You cannot, cannot, cannot demand an astronomical fee, and then keep a player for (X) years and simply ruin them, without there being consequences. At some point you have to weight everything against common sense, and do the right thing - as Arsene Wenger did with Robin van Persie, and we did with Angel Di Maria. If a players unhappy for any reason, you sell them. You don't demand double money or whatever. Especially in the situation spurs are in - you do right by your player, take the money and invest it and try again.
 

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You cannot, cannot, cannot demand an astronomical fee, and then keep a player for (X) years and simply ruin them, without there being consequences. At some point you have to weight everything against common sense, and do the right thing - as Arsene Wenger did with Robin van Persie, and we did with Angel Di Maria. If a players unhappy for any reason, you sell them. You don't demand double money or whatever. Especially in the situation spurs are in - you do right by your player, take the money and invest it and try again.
That is a road that would end horrendously for them. Talents like Kane come along every once in a generation. Selling Kane at a moderate fee would only work out well for Kane and the buying club. In that case, "doing right" be damned
 

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That is a road that would end horrendously for them. Talents like Kane come along every once in a generation. Selling Kane at a moderate fee would only work out well for Kane and the buying club. In that case, "doing right" be damned
Where did anyone say a "moderate" fee? It would still be a HIGH fee, just not something outrageous like you know Levy would demand, and not on deadline day like he always does - leaving any manager they don't completely ruinate in the shambolic manner they have done so far nothing to work with themselves.
 

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That is a road that would end horrendously for them. Talents like Kane come along every once in a generation. Selling Kane at a moderate fee would only work out well for Kane and the buying club. In that case, "doing right" be damned
I don't think anyone is saying moderate fee but the rumors suggest Levy wants a record breaking fee which is excessive. I do think Spurs would be best off doing a players plus cash deal to help reinvigorate their squad, it is suggested Chelsea might give them Abraham and another player like CHO as part of a deal and I would like to see us try to match that with the winning combo of Chong and Pereira.
 

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I would fecking love it if Gattuso signs for Spurs, love the guy and also suspect he might be a hilarious disaster so it's win win! :lol:
 

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Where did anyone say a "moderate" fee? It would still be a HIGH fee, just not something outrageous like you know Levy would demand, and not on deadline day like he always does - leaving any manager they don't completely ruinate in the shambolic manner they have done so far nothing to work with themselves.
It's deemed outrageous, but in reality, just a high fee would leave Spurs up shit's creek because how would they compensate for his loss, both on and off the field?

If Levy intends to sell then yes, he should do so early, giving the manager time to plan for life after Kane. But the debate is whether Spurs are better off selling Kane or not, I'm leaning towards the latter

I don't think anyone is saying moderate fee but the rumors suggest Levy wants a record breaking fee which is excessive. I do think Spurs would be best off doing a players plus cash deal to help reinvigorate their squad, it is suggested Chelsea might give them Abraham and another player like CHO as part of a deal and I would like to see us try to match that with the winning combo of Chong and Pereira.
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That is a road that would end horrendously for them. Talents like Kane come along every once in a generation. Selling Kane at a moderate fee would only work out well for Kane and the buying club. In that case, "doing right" be damned
Nobody would bat an eyelid if Spurs sold Kane for 100/120M to City. That is still a huge amount of money that can get you 2 to 3 very good players for the new coach and massively ease up the transition.
 

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Nobody would bat an eyelid if Spurs sold Kane for 100/120M to City. That is still a huge amount of money that can get you 2 to 3 very good players for the new coach and massively ease up the transition.
120M is a reasonable price. When last did City splurge that amount on a single player?
 

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Canny operator that Levy. He'll spend the entire season getting multiple new manager bounces with ever actually hiring a pissing manager.
 

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120M is a reasonable price. When last did City splurge that amount on a single player?
Never but when did they buy such a finished article ? Walker and Mahrez maybe ? You then add the striker tax, the english tax, the bending over a top 6 club tax and 120M doesn't sound like that much.
 

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Yeah, I agree with folks who think Levy is following the best approach re: Kane. Kane still signed the contract so needs to stand by it unless he can take it to court. Else, he should wait for a club to meet Levy’s demands.

Having said that though, Levy doesn’t always do what’s best in Spur’s interests and that‘s where the criticism should be directed. I clear example is Rose. There was no reason to price him out of a move but Levy’s ego and perception of being a hard negotiator was more important to him than the club.
 

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Also, he must be a straight up hypnotist to have managed to get Harry Kane to sign his life away AFTER watching him handcuff Bale, Berbatov, Modric, Erikson etc...
You have heard Harry Kane speak, right? Not sure a hynotist would've been requirrd. More just an Uncle Levy promise and a lolly pop.

One of my Spurs supporting mates is more upset than I've ever seen him. I don't even have the stomach to make fun of him he's so pissed off.
All my Spuds mates where giving it large when they had a few top four finishes and where building their Cheeseroom. For that, I would, and am not, as merciful.

This is just way too funny! From Conte to Gattuso :lol::lol:
What is ever better is this may not be the last of it. Next week it could be:

From Conte to Guttoso
From Conte to Guttoso to Fat Sam
 

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Just wondering if there is an actual reputable page for club level debt
Not just what is owed, but the means of which the debt is serviced
Last bit is important for context